Jurg— You noted the following: “The rigid momenta (+,-spin) in all dimension do vanish but not their action. If you e.g. squeeze a proton then the "strong force" decreases what causes the centrifugal force to dominate and forces the proton to expand again. Even more weird is adding magnetic flux. Adding on stable new orbit in average decreases charge (because space-time-volume decreases) - adding to a wave increases (internal) charge.”
In this thread I suggested that magnetism may be 1 of several primal dimensions that present themselves in a consistent manner when combined with other primal dimensions of electric charge, time, and angular momentum in specific volumes—quanta—of space, which is also a primal dimension of knowable existence. Following this conjecture, your (Jurg’s) magnetic flux is nothing more than the addition of magnetic quanta to specific space quanta and associated time quanta. (I would note that, if the time quanta happen to be below 0, that may explain magnetic flux disappearance from known existence. In this regard time less than 0 is equivalent to unknowable existence. I would add the idea that the dimensional space quanta I have in mind may be orders of magnitude smaller than the space dimensions making up a proton. I do not consider that the singularities suggested by classical physics fits a conjecture of a quantum reality. Bob Cook Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Jürg Wyttenbach <ju...@datamart.ch> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 3:59:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Science discoveries how LENR works Bob: Does your understanding of the source of a magnetic field include a lower limit on the magnitude of the field? You speak of resonant fields being active in particle condensation—i.e., creation. Can those resonances be infinitesimal or infinite in frequency? If not why not? Classically a EM wave is of infinite large size and dilutes to "nothing". Nevertheless to detect it we need a system that obeys the law(s) of a minimal action. But this does not answer the question where the EM energy is going to? Without introducing an ether like construct we will not find an answer. But this is the other end of the story. Coupling in my understanding is followed by an action and needs a force between the actors. Any two 2D orthogonal magnetic lines can symmetrically couple. The radius of such a faint interaction is close to infinite. This could directly lead to the idea that magnetic lines are the ether itself and only a curvature makes them visible. Mass as we understand it is a stable EM field with a constant curvature on a closed orbit. Only well defined amounts of mass are stable as the relation between mass and and virtual charge in average must be constant. I'm pretty sure that after some creative work we will be able to derive all possible stable masses and also will be able to describe the decay of unstable ones. Unluckily SO(4) introduces a new hurdle due to the fact as we have a 4(6) dimensional single side surface that in a projection to our classic mechanics needs a complex treating. To illustrate this: The rigid momenta (+,-spin) in all dimension do vanish but not their action. If you e.g. squeeze a proton then the "strong force" decreases what causes the centrifugal force to dominate and forces the proton to expand again. Even more weird is adding magnetic flux. Adding on stable new orbit in average decreases charge (because space-time-volume decreases) - adding to a wave increases (internal) charge. Standard tensor calculous will not work for a general EM-mass solution in SO(4) as the action is circular. Quaternions works for a subclass of the problems namely the Clifford torus based core flux. But the connections to 6D needs more brain power added. J.W. Am 11.11.19 um 20:56 schrieb bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>: Jurg— Thanks for that lead to “Maple Physics:” https://www.maplesoft.com/products/maple/features/physics.aspx I am not sure that my review of the description of the extensive calculation features of the Maple Software package—a free trial is available at Amazon—i.e., a finite element calculation with up to 6 independent variables and very small finite elements is available in the Maple package. Does your understanding of the source of a magnetic field include a lower limit on the magnitude of the field? You speak of resonant fields being active in particle condensation—i.e., creation. Can those resonances be infinitesimal or infinite in frequency? If not why not? My argument in this thread is that there likely is a lower limit and/or an upper limit on frequency. This reflects my conclusion about quantized dimensions. Bob Cook ------------------------------------------ ________________________________ From: Jürg Wyttenbach <ju...@datamart.ch><mailto:ju...@datamart.ch> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 4:10:43 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> <vortex-l@eskimo.com><mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Science discoveries how LENR works Bob Unluckily only a few people used SO(4) so far mainly for simplifying SM math with a more general notation. The same holds for quaternions & octonions. Maple has no specific SO(4) module although it is very powerful in handling abstract physics. The main problem all physicists will face is that the notion of quantization will be defined more general as a fraction of a wave/orbit length of e.g. 6 dimensions. The illusion everything is based on h (plank quantum) was OK for the first beginners approach to nuclear and particle physics but inside dense matter all exchange is based on magnetic resonances. The SM claimed sea of photons (virtual particles) of what ever nature, emerged from an other illusion that physics is restricted to three real dimensions. The true image of magnetic interaction is that it can be additive or subtractive what is equivalent to compressing space (reducing covered space time energy) or expanding space. For the old (primitive) SM model this looks like emerging or disappearing (virtual and sometimes real) particles. Real particles are magnetic resonances that start a new joint rotation whereas virtual particles just add mass to a magnetic orbit. I would recommend to deeply investigate the Holmlid dense hydrogen system as this experiment is currently the only one that is reproducible and allows to add "any" mass to an existing magnetic (D*/H*) orbit. from the physics point of view you can add as much mass as the coupling (counter-) mass on the other "side" allows. If the mass is over the threshold then the waves must restructure the binding (virtual coupling charge changes) what in the proton case is about the mass needed to form two Kaons minus proton mass. The counter mass is already (almost) given by the latent excess mass of e.g. 2 D*-D* (pre 4-He state). All magnetic mass has an angular momentum as any magnetic field line is equivalent to a circular current. Thus in your sense the neutrino would be an other form of mass than EM mass, what is highly unlikely. Unluckily I currently have no time to model particles albeit the Holmlid case is very interesting. For somebody with access to the detailed experimental data it would be a matter of 2-3 days to find the resonant (H*/D*-clusters) SO(4) orbits for Holmlids kaon/pions/muons. J.W. Am 10.11.19 um 21:17 schrieb bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>: Jurg— Is there computer software that does SO(4)math to your knowledge? If so, is it publicly available? It would seem that what you describe as rotational mixing may involve an angular momentum quanta to give a common direction to adjacent 3D space quanta making up a cubic (or maybe spheroidal) array of a small—quantum-- volume(s) of EMPTY space. EMPTY space* may itself be quantized with a value of 0 or 1 depending on whether or not there are other space dimensions with an associated time at 1 or above or minus 1 and lower. (Real space quanta below 0 do not exist as an axiom.) A more complex assemblage of real spheroidal space quanta around a single spheroidal quanta may occur with changing time quanta together with a single angular momentum quanta associated with the central spheroidal space quanta and a magnetic and/or electric quanta. (Note everything that is known can be described by a 5 or maybe 6 dimensional system of time, Empty space*, real space, magnetic field, electric field and angular momentum quanta.) * Empty space may not be necessary to provide an adequate physical description of reality. Neutrinos may nicely fit into this physical system in that there would be no magnetic or electric quanta associated with the angular momentum quanta and the circulating space volume quanta considered for electrons and other electrically charged primary “particles”. Bob Cook ----------------------------------- Bob From: Jürg Wyttenbach<mailto:ju...@datamart.ch> Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 11:08 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Science discoveries how LENR works Bob, SO(4) physics is a field only approach. Charge only occurs as a virtual mass in interactions. Fields do synchronize like rigid rotators. If the "orbits" are "equivalent" then coupling occurs. But there are more criteria for a coupling to occur as always a force must be at work that finally "aligns" two rotating masses to form a new common rotation. Stable orbits always involve at least two rotations, what e.g. the folks around 1910 believed to be the orbiting electron around a proton. Today we know that the magnetic mass of the electron couples ( 2 rotations) to the potential of the proton that is also formed by a two rotation mass. But unluckily this is not the full story as the electron does two more half-rotations and also the proton has a three rotation substructure and a 4 rotation core. Classic quantization is a good approximation to a linear reality. But electrons and protons finally interact in 4 mixed rotation dimensions and all orbits are coupled. As coupling adds new rotating masses to more than one rotation it is keen to believe that these connections are still simple natural numbers. The problem is the mismatch between rotating dimensions and Eigenvalues of the energy that always has a feedback to charge (in fact the potential). Axil: Polarized photons do the follow the same (1FC 2x2) orbits as the mass in H*-H*. There is no such thing as LENR energy. It's all about coupling orbits on 2x2 rotation dimensions. J.W. Am 09.11.19 um 17:59 schrieb bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>: Axil— Assuming a magnetic field is a dimension., like space, time and angular momentum which occur in discrete quanta of their respective known characteristics (seconds, meters, h/2pi angular momentum, and B the magnetic field--quantized along with an electric field at a quanta considerably below the average field for the volume of an electron, ) then the relativistic electrons with their momentum and intense local electric field could be in fact be combining with the nearby magnetic quanta to form new photons. These new photons are left in the empty 3D space to gather as polariton condensates to conserve angular momentum spin energy. The passing electron would necessarily slow down to, loosing kinetic energy and linear momentum as well as some angular momentum, both of which may be conserved in the reaction. Planck was famous for speculating that the only real entities may be fields—i.e., dimensional quanta known as fields to modern physics. To handle this existence of quantized dimensions conceptually and accurately, science needs a new mathematics similar to calculus that can be cut off at some small amount (but not infinitesimal) to match real data from experiments. Uncertainty could become an idea of a past time dimension in the minds of humans and other real entities that might exist elsewhere in space and time. Finite element analyses that super computers can do may actually already provide the new math suggested above. Even if they are not capable of handling the calculations for actual quantum dimensions, they could suggest what the real quantum dimensions are by extrapolations to real data from real observations. (Quarks with their 1/3 electric charges may really be electric field quanta confined to a small volume of 3D space quanta.) Bob Cook From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com><mailto:janap...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 11:45:38 AM To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com><mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: [Vo]:Science discoveries how LENR works It was only a matter of time before science discovered the basic process upon which LENR energy is generated. The few highly capable LENR reactors produce Extreme ultraviolet radiation (EUV or XUV) as their primary output energy product. https://physicsworld.com/a/electrons-passing-over-nanophotonic-materials-could-create-synchrotron-like-light/ Electrons passing over nanophotonic materials could create synchrotron-like light https://physicsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Illustration-of-passive-light-emission-635x216.jpg Electron flyby: illustration of how encounters between relativistic electrons and vacuum fluctuations can generate X-rays. (Courtesy: Nicholas Rivera et al/Nature Physics) The interaction between electrons and a rough metal surface produce high energy photons derived from the vacuum. These photons come from the vacuum as mediated by polariton condensation. This experiment could be a proof of principle for the generation of Hawking radiation from polariton condensation. In Hawking radiation, the polariton condensate produces low energy infrared photons as a "positive energy" product having a positive frequency, but high energy EUV photons as "negative energy" having a negative frequency. As in this case, zero vacuum energy is balanced when negative vacuum energy is created to offset positive vacuum energy production, but that negative vacuum energy is not permanently sequestered by gravity. The high energy EUV photons produced in high powered LENR reactors like Rossi's SK reactor, Mills SunCell, and the SAFIRE project could be generated as negative vacuum energy photons. [https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/no_photo.png] ReplyForward -- Jürg Wyttenbach Bifangstr.22 8910 Affoltern a.A. 044 760 14 18 079 246 36 06 -- Jürg Wyttenbach Bifangstr.22 8910 Affoltern a.A. 044 760 14 18 079 246 36 06 -- Jürg Wyttenbach Bifangstr.22 8910 Affoltern a.A. 044 760 14 18 079 246 36 06
