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From: "David Thomson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]: Lifters
What was the highest potential used in the vacuum experiments?
Around 20kV.
As I see it, there is a balance between the charges of the lifter and the
dipole structure of the surrounding medium. It is my belief that if you
are
going to increase the vacuum, then you also need to increase the
potential.
This is not because of ion wind, but because the air molecules become
dipoles with much mass, which provide a more viscous dipole medium for the
charges on the lifter to operate against.
Either way, in an interstellar vacuum of 1 hydrogen atom per cubic meter,
this thing will not give you any thrust. The hardcore lifter believer crowd
thinks this thing is really antigravity or reactionless propulsion that is
going to get us to Mars and beyond. It isn't, never was, barking up the
wrong tree, etc.
My guess is that the potential needs to be increased proportional to the
vacuum. So if you double the vacuum, you need to double the potential.
But to what end? If there is no medium to push against, even if you have
100MV across the thing, it won't fly around.
As I understand it, the hard vacuum experiments did not include an
increase
in potential. So naturally, if the medium is less dense the lifter has
less
to pull against and needs more potential.
I may be misreading you, are you agreeing that the lifter is just a reaction
"fan" that needs a medium (gas, liquid) to push against? Or are you of the
opinion that it is reactionless?
--Kyle
