This is good.
Your mechanical analogy is becoming more refined.

Harry



Michel Jullian wrote:

> No extra force in oil, it works just the same as a lifter it's an EHD
> thruster, called "ion drag pump" when the medium is a dielectric liquid and
> the thruster is stationary: oil molecules are ionized, and ion current from a
> sharper electrode to a flatter electrode entrains neutrals.
> 
> You can picture an EHD thruster as a paddle wheel boat: while the charges
> carried by the ions (=paddles) move through the medium (=water) they drag it
> backwards, the rest of the time they are recirculated from the back to the
> front of the thruster by the power supply (= the boat's engine).
> 
> Michel
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Re: Lifters
> 
> 
>> Kyle R. Mcallister wrote:
>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:06 PM
>>> Subject: [Vo]: Re: Lifters
>>> 
>>> 
>>> They can be made to work in oil, by sucking and pushing the oil past the
>>> electrodes. But again this is not reactionless/antigravity/what have you,
>>> its a simple toy that needs a dielectric medium to work in. In space, this
>>> thing is a real loser.
>> 
>> 
>> I notice you said "they can be MADE TO WORK by sucking and pushing"
>> Evidently they only work in the oil medium if another force exists
>> to suck and push the oil force.
>> 
>> Now if such extra force is required when the apparatus is in an oil medium,
>> does it not stand to reason that an extra force (albeit much
>> smaller in magnitude) is needed for the apparatus to work in air?
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> 
> 

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