What happens when you begin to use the hot water? Harry
Stiffler Scientific wrote: > You enjoy the MIB part don't you? > > In all reality I don't believe they pay any attention to some one making > claims unless there is a device or their expert University advisors get > nervous. For the most part they sit back drink coffee and Red Bull, each > donuts and get a big chuckle from all the fools. But, if you are headed to > the local Flea Market to begin selling devices or have a semi loaded and > headed to the Ace Hardware, I feel comfortable in the belief you will be > contacted. SO enough of that, they are for sure rolling on the floor in > cackles again. > > Your idea looks good at first blush, but not being my field I have nothing > to offer in aid, yeah or nay. > > As concerns standard electrolysis in water I have a bit of knowledge and > that says that Heat is more of a detriment than advantage. The whole object > of trying to stay below the thermo-neutral voltage level is to not > internally create heat. I have yet to realize where getting all those little > molecules agitated has a benefit. > > Now for Heat in the classic cell it is assumed that we can pull ~49kJ from > the environment with the remaining 281kJ coming from our electrical input. > This in itself looks good in that there could be a practical approach to > using that cooling, but it don't hold for long and is far to slow for > practical usage. So what does that say about Heat, in my work keep it away, > the cooler the cell the better (no not cold, or below ambient). > > Pressure within the cell must be factored in, the 3.7kJ used to expand the > gas can be increased by increasing the internal pressure. What may seem off > the wall to some that have not tried it, is the placement of electrodes just > under the surface of the electrolyte. > > Enough of that, I hope some one will comment on your idea as I have seen > Heat Pumps easily fun at COP=9 and if I remember my reading can go to COP=12 > (theory). If that is the case then maybe you have just not accounted for all > of the loss that will take place. Indeed for Texas (most of it) a m2 of > blackened copper collector can get you some real hot water. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:15 PM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis) > > > OK, if the MIBs didn't intercept my posts which they probably didn't (no one > has knocked at my door yet), it must be that my scheme was simply not clear > enough to provoke feedback. I'll try and make it clearer through a practical > embodiment: > > Say we have an insulated hot water reservoir, pre-heated by a joule heater > (used only to start the process), as the hot source, and ambient air as the > cold source. An average efficiency Sterling engine (efficiency=40% > conservatively, say 1000W heat in, 400W mechanical out) runs on those hot > and cold sources (2LoT not broken), and through an appropriate > quasi-lossless gearbox replaces the electric motor powering the compressor > of an average performance house heating type heat pump (COP=3 > conservatively), which therefore pumps 400W*3=1200W of heat from the ambient > air to the hot water reservoir. > > 1000W out, 1200W in, surely there can be no doubt that after the initial > joule heater kick this apparatus will run standalone, drawing its energy > from the ambient air (cooling it so ventilation will be needed, by say a 10W > fan), and providing nearly 200W continuous excess heat to the hot water > reservoir? > > Does it make more sense now? ;-) > -- > Michel
