[SNIP] ? ?So why is this so hard to believe is quite possible, even probable; by say even a 'future version of ourselves'
[Reply] good point and interfacing with our future selves would explain much the lack of physical evidence because nature would frame the interaction to avoid paradox or create an alternate universe of which we would be unaware. Maybe when the UFO or future selves finally do make themselves known it will mean we are just an alternate universe :_) _____ From: Harbach Jak [mailto:ja.harc...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 1:02 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:IreMyth"TimeDialation" ?Did not Einstein indicate the reality of the manipulation of time vs relative speed? ? ? ?So why is this so hard to believe is quite possible, even probable; by say even a 'future version of ourselves' not to mention maybe those who 'terra-formed us' & who preceed us evolutionarily by maybe several millions(maybe evern billions) of years? Some psuedo-thinkers are so 'narrow' that they could see through a key-whole with both eyes at the same time. . . .~:-O * * *Hola Amigos; Sweet falacy & the Humanities: This morning's caffeine & sugar rush is Great! ? ? ?And why do most yuppies need their children to act like small-zombies rather than the EXUBERANT INFORMATION SPONGES that is their really cool genetic heritage as the top-o-the-food-chain species on the planet~(at present)~anyway? The Humanities are a lovely subject to contemplate as is Hard Archeology & Anthropology. When we do find 'temporally displaced' objects impossibly placed/out of place in 'time' we tend to just BLOW IT OFF. Enter the likes of master debunker J.Allen Hynek who no rational scientific mind would be likely to spurn in regards to scientific process nor integrity. Hynek's ultimate stance is history and 'hard-evidence' is so tedious, bland, and easily shoved off onto some back shelf, so screw it if it cramps our dulcet humanites theories. We wouldn't want to upset the applecart regarding some tenured Prof.'s tried & true,(and boring/by-wrote) lectures. So much for intellectual curiosity which 'should' be the hallmark of EVERY FIELD OF SCIENTIFIC ENDEAVOR and not just OU. How should history regard 'flying shields' that breach the impregnable walls of the ancient island city of Tyre with 'beams of light; when otherwise the Macedonian's siege would have likely failed? Well, thats just 'myth;' right; but it is duely recorded 'myth' all the same. And pretty much 'every other aspect' of the Alexandrian chronicles are considered 'hard-historic-data.' Those pesky 'flying disks' are always popping up like piss-ants at your picnic anyway. And oddly some centuries before that a deluded religious oddball by the name of Jonah was swallowed/dead & survived/back-from-the-likely-dead having been in the belly of a USO-oh crap-I mean a sperm whale in the Mediterranean Sea with bad stomach gas. And when he got mugged by the Japanese turtle, well that was just the frosting on the cake------------oh yea! Aside: I've found that Japanese tourists with those nice-state-of-the-art cameras are just as onerous as the turtles anyday. But after the fish old Jonah just happened to predict the future 'Total destruction of Tyre;' the fish told him, right? And this all seemed just a bit of a stretch at the time. And tenacious as the future Alexander indeed was, his low tech approach would have required a bit more luck than chance was likely to avail any plucky conqueror. Without massive now-modern artillary and hi-tech air superiority, a modern tank-division or two would have been hard pressed to breach those ancient massive multi-staged walls of Tyre. The Nazi siege of Stalingrad in the Russian winter had far better odds of success than Alexander's Tyre adventure. ?And what in the bloody hell did Ancient Ysraeli Pre-Helenic myth have to do with Macedonian-Greek Platonically educated WarLords and their belief system---->? ?We're to swallow that Alexander was conscioulsy keyed into a belief in 'ancient Jewish USO-Fish predicting FlyingShield air superiority back-up; and this centuries down the line for a King & Kingdom that didn't even exist at the time of said prediction? Oh yea, right, but Alexander went to India and heard of the good old ancient 'Vimana' wars etc.; but oops oh crap, Al's India thing was 'after' Tyre. Oh hell; we've always got Swamp-Gasss; or maybe just over-educated into oblivious-credentialitis-pedantis chondriasis, gas. A la' Carl Jung; whatever injects 'data' into the collective consciousness at any juncture in history is, as usual, likely to end up as flying turtles or what-have-you. But does this necessarily 'debunk' the 'exotic/but maybe exotically real' causitive agent for starting the 'myth' in the first place? Can legends ever be said to have been rooted in (not necessarily prozaic) fact? And is it truely professionally & intellectually sound to out-of-hand to subject the 'exotic' to the poo-pooing of our erst-while social scientists? And as for much of what is passed off as Social 'science;' it is NOT HARD SCIENCE but rather spongey & soft science at best. And who of those paying scrupulous attention to the pithy ramblings of our credentialesque-debunkers, have not noticed this?-: I'VE NEVER MET TWO SOCIAL SCIENTIST-PRACTITIONERS who AGREE on ANY PRACTICAL POINT unless they've been contracted for lucre to DEBUNK SOMETHING unpopular-or embarrassing etc.. So what indeed are they 'expert' at other than their own 'extremely humanly-quirky' MODUS of INTERPRETATION? And this includes ulterior motives of $, Tenure, intellectual-hubris, intellectual cowardice, and sundry other ulteriors of themselves &/or their various employers-often goverment employed &/or funded. HARD EVIDENCE: Pilot's testimonies(often military), exotic accompanying physical anomolies, hard-radar-targets, etc. 'ad infinitum' do yet fall within the range of empirical credibility. And NO CONVENTIONAL THEORY has even the SLIGHTEST HOPE of explaining the PROVEN(not myth) phenomenon of "Spooky Action @ (impossibly vast)Distance" for instance and this IS hard evidence as well. So much for the silliness of 'conventional/established' LAWFUL theory. IRISH MYTH & FOLKLORE: There was a prince(likely a local warlord's kid) who happened to be well known to his neighbors and also own a very cool white stallion to ride. And prince & horse had a minor abduction 'thing' occur to them. An exotic quasi-human female lured the princeling(white stud & all) into a shimmering silver eliptoid floating 'thing/vessel.' Horney princes are an easy catch. And the guy down in South America had it easy because he got to come right back and got a 'new set of his own newly grown teeth' in the bargain to go with his toss in the hay with the wierd-but-horney hyper-red head. The Irish Prince floated away into a mist not to be seen again for a couple of centuries when he was deposited back in his place but obviously not in his 'time.' Yea I know Irish Princes speaking outdated forms of their languange riding White-Stallions & sporting anciently crafted garb, weapons, and horse-tack are a dime-a-dozen in big old Ireland. And like Bram Bones these guys spoof the locals all the time. Everyone knows that the Irish are B.larney S. Artists extraordinaire and don't kiss the Blarney stone if ya' don't want the dew of last nights after-closing 'pint's' drainage upon your lips. Tourists are nearly as gullible as UFOniks!~;-) AFTER NOTE: Budd Hopkin, I believe recorded, some (yea I know) odd post abduction hypnotically regressed (yadda yadda) undecipherable language from I believe Betty Andreasson of "Andreasson Affair" notoriety. Purportedly the 'unknown jibberish/star language' was transcribed phoenetically and later 'translated' as an ancient form of GAELIC by a credible/credentialed linguistic scholar. ?Genetic Memory?Swamp Gas? More myth, poppycock, & B.S. hysteria? By the way; that Andreasson 'Gaelic/StarLanguage message' would make the hair stand up on end with goose-flesh in the bargain. But every social-scientist of any standing well-knows that we homo-sapiens-sapiens have a specific 'node' within our cerebrum for housing Myth-B.S. and other forms of fireside entertainment . . . Enjoy!~:-)~JH~ _____ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:41:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:More Abductions From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Let me just add one more example that it is not contentious or politically loaded. Many Americans nowadays believe that sugar is a stimulant. For example, they believe that if their children eat sugared cereal for breakfast they will get a "sugar high" and race around the house causing commotion. I know some well-educated parents who are convinced they observed this firsthand. ("Ignoring a common cause" logical fallacy.) I believe this notion arose recently. In a few generations it will be forgotten. - Jed _____ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. Click <http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery> here.
