Sounds like a Fastwalker.

Terry

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Horace Heffner <hheff...@mtaonline.net> wrote:
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> On Dec 29, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Rick Monteverde wrote:
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> Horace –
>
> My sighting wasn’t just after sunset, it was just after nightfall -  total
> darkness. There was just a vague hint of fading light on the horizon, but
> the sky surrounding the object, which was relatively low in the southwest,
> was already black.
>
> I did find something on the after-sunset atmospheric distortion – they say
> add 6 arc minutes to the apparent semidiameter of the sun. I’ll try to
> muddle through your figures in a little while. I sure appreciate the help,
> thanks.
>
> Yes, that accounts for distortion of the image.  There is also atmospheric
> scatter involved, and that might make an object look orange or red.   It
> makes snowy mountains here take on hot pastel colors - called Alpenglow.
> This time of year the sun sets almost due west there.  If the object was
> ever in a direction approximately due north or south of you, i.e. on a line
> perpendicular to the sunset location, then the altitude h I provided fairly
> closely applies to the object for that time t in the table.   If it was
> mainly east or west then another calculation is needed.  I would say
> anything above 100,000 feet, or 18.9 miles,  was probably not a military
> jet, and certainly not a passenger jet.   That altitude h corresponds to
> about 22 minutes after surface darkness - to whatever degree such darkness
> needs to be defined.  From experience there,  I know it gets dark pretty
> fast in Hawaii after sunset - especially compared to here - where sunsets
> can take a very long time. 8^)  If you observed the object an hour after
> sunset then I'd say it was well past the 22 minutes after darkness mark.   A
> general compass direction thus may be sufficient information for a
> definitive answer.  That far after sunset, an hour, taken even alone, is a
> pretty strong indication it was not an airplane.
> Best regards,
>
> Horace Heffner
> http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
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