Jones, A Heisenberg trap does not HAVE to be much smaller than a Casimir cavity. The random motion of gas is a macro example of HUP and any mechanism that can derive energy from this random motion would be considered a Heisenberg trap. The use of changing Casimir geometry to oppose the migration of H2 is not an energy source. It is the random motion of gas based on HUP which supplies the energy that is disassociating or at very least discounting the thermal energy required to disassociate gas molecules that makes the "system" a Heisenberg trap, AKA Maxwell's demon, It would be far less energetic than the nuclear trap mentioned by Horace but due to natures desire to fall back to the lowest energy state H2 it forms an endlessly reversible chemical reaction between h1 and h2 for as long as the gas is surrounded by a lattice with changes in Casimir geometry. Regards Fran
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 3:50 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:EETIMES publishes report Very interesting comments Horace, especially: "A clue to the truth of this, and to the fact that uncertainty energy is extractable, is the fact Sandia surprisingly obtained over-unity shots when using helium to test the Z-machine." Do you have a citation for that? I wasn't aware of this detail. Although a Heisenberg trap is presumably much smaller than a Casimir cavity, there are several ways this could be applicable, or the two could be interrelated. I think the Rossi device has implications that could go a long way towards improving hot fusion devices, perhaps even the Z-machine. This would be in the sense that Miley has been suggesting for a couple of years not - dense deuterium as the ideal ICF target. This assumes the Rossi device gets the gain from dense deuterium - and that assumption comes from the Raney, and the Casimir cavities, so the reasoning is a bit circular. Rossi admits he has no clue. Jones From: Horace Heffner The Casimir effect is significant in the binding potential of the deflated state, and thus in elongating the duration of the state pre-fusion, though the net energy imparted by the Casimir effect is zero, by symmetry. A nuclear Casimir effect is also extremely significant in binding hadrons together in a nucleus. Yes, the Casimir effect is not a major player in creating (nuclear) heat, but uncertainty energy due to the ZPF is. See: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/NuclearZPEtapping.pdf A clue to the truth of this, and to the fact that uncertainty energy is extractable, is the fact Sandia surprisingly obtained over-unity shots when using helium to test the Z-machine. Even if Rossi and BLP and all the other cold fusion efforts, and hot fusion efforts like ITER, turn out to not be commercially viable, I think Sandia's ambitious z-pinch program will produce a viable energy technology, and within a few years. For general info see: http://www.sandia.gov/z-machine/ I think it is wise to not over commit to the Rossi technology being both real and useful until an actual MW producing plant is built and functioning long term. If this is a hoax it will of course set cold fusion research financing back years, and the pie will be in our faces. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ On Jan 24, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Ironic in a way, Fran ... (that you would hold back your enthusiasm now) but yes, the possibility of a 'very elaborate scam' involving dozens of participating strangers and doctorate-level scientists - has not been completely ruled out. 95% certainty is arguably "uncertain" to the strictly scientific mentality. But it is ironic nevertheless ... since this device might well depend on the Casimir effect at the most fundamental level (not for the heat, per se, but for maintaining 'pycno' - dense hydrogen, following spillover). If nothing else, your blog and posts have identified you as the chief proponent of the general idea that at least the first step in the anomalous heat processes, in many prior experiments, depends on cavity-QED. Everything that follows would then depends a priori on the Casimir effect, even if it is "only" a force, and not a dynamic source of heat in itself. It is then clearly the most fundamental part of a two (or more) step process. And it is what LENR has lacked, until "nano" came along with Arata as the icon of that advance, since even Mills himself did not appreciate what was going-on in his similar experiments. Few observers who have delved into this deeply doubt that Raney nickel provides the easiest commercial route to a massive level of Casimir cavities in nickel, nor that Rossi is using it as his "nano nickel" (nor that it is responsible for the two lab fires in New Hampshire)... nor even that that the many of the prior [problems with LENR stem from the fact that crystal 'dislocations' are a poor substitute for engineered cavities. If the Casimir effect is NOT involved, I would be completely amazed. If the Casimir effect is a sine qua non to the reaction happening at a robust level, I would not be surprised in the least. Hey ! Let's celebrate with a toast to Hendrik (Casimir) and especially to Murray (Raney)! who actually preceded Casimir by twenty years !! not to mention P&F and Rossi !!! ... maybe there should be martinis all around - which drink - BTW could be called the rossi ... if you want to get into a trivia contest <g> Bottom's up ! and put it all on Park's tab. Later, we can add a round for Mallove, Puthoff (ZPE) and even Mills, after we have had a few - and all the others who have pushed this along in their own way -Storms, Swartz, McKubre, Miley, Mizuno etc. etc. etc. not to mention Jed who has been the force majeure, so to speak - in the face of constant criticism from the meatheads of science. Cheers, Jones From: francis http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4212428/Italian-scientists-claim-cold-fusion-success This is a widely read publication with a huge audience among government contractors. The major media will be next. To be honest I only forwarded my own comments with this news to certain peers at Lockheed this morning for fear of this being some elaborate hoax.
