At 09:45 PM 7/5/2011, Harry Veeder wrote:
The Kirvit video *might* be explained in terms of the Tarallo Water
Diversion Fake:
<http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_details_v323.php>http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_details_v323.php
Tarallo suggests that there is a hose leading water out into the
outlet pipe, allowing steam measurements.
The hose proposed is unnecessary, it would indeed be fakery, but
Tarallo is attempting to explain something that isn't necessary to
explain, i.e., the measurements through the instrument port. If the
chimney simply fills with water to the level of the output hose, a
thermocouple inserted into the instrument port will measure, if any
water is being boiled, boiling temperature. An RH meter probe
inserted there will show the same result as for steam, from the way
these meters work.
As a fake, this could indeed be used to create an appearance of
excess heat where there was only input power heat, in combination
with a true bypass inside.
I don't see that this has been ruled out.
However, once "fraud" is on the table, there are no limits to
possibilities, I started making this point in January or February.
This is why we want to see, to be *certain*, independent testing
where fakery as described becomes preposterously unlikely.
It would be trivial to take the Rossi setup, and add a few dollars
worth of plumbing, and make it into a very clear measurement of
power. But that has not been done, and I actively do not expect it to
be done. Rossi clearly doesn't want a definitive demonstration, and
from this I can make *no conclusion* other than ... he doesn't want a
definitive demonstration. There are reasons for that which are
possible all the way from fakery and fraud to genuine heat combined
with economic motives or personal psychology.
Harry
From: Jeff Driscoll <hcarb...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 2:23:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms
it goes into colder water entering the ecat - but I contend that the
following possibilites exist for fakery
1. large slugs of water are spit through the black hose and down the drain
2. the water stays in the Ecat and never leaves it
3. the input water is not measured correctly intentionally (fraudulently)
Or just a small continuous flow of water, though it could become
slugs as water fills the hose blocking steam flow, the steam would
then force the water out the hose periodically.
"The water stays in the E-Cat and never leaves it," I don't
understand. This really requires possibility 3.
It's also possible that input flow is incorrectly measured without
fraud, but this depends on details of the testing, and I haven't seen
that input flow has been nailed down adequately. It may have been
measured correctly, or not, and the difference depends on details of
testing that were not disclosed.
I should be explicit about a possibility, that Rossi believes that
all the water is being vaporized, when it is not. The setups he's
created don't check for outflow water, and Rossi has no way of
distinguishing outflow water from condensed water. He knows there is
condensed water, and he assumes that it is condensed. Has he verified
that it is all condensed?
The easiest way to assume that it is all condensed (aside from
questions about steam quality, which could be a minor issue unless
the heat is marginal) is gravity feed, so that feed rate equals
boil-off rate, which would be trivial to set up. Has he done this?
He'd also get faster turn-on, but not dangerously so. That Rossi uses
constant feed rate is a mystery, it is a setup for error (or danger,
if that rate is too low).
