Apparently you don't understand LCOE (Levelized Cost Of Energy)? May I suggest you do some googling. ALL of the ways we generate energy have an infinite COP if you take away the energy content of the fuel that you need to supply to the generator. With some generators such as wind, solar, tidal, wave, geothermal, hydro, etc there is no fuel cost embodied into the input energy. Others such as coal, uranium, gas, oil, nickel, etc the fuel must be won from the earth and then processed. The fuel then has an embodied energy cost which is passed on to the energy generator owner as part of the cost of the fuel. LCOE sorts all this out and allows across the board comparisons of Gen A to Gen B to Gen C, etc on the basis of the LCOE of the delivered energy.

On 12/16/2011 9:49 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:


On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com <mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Aussie Guy E-Cat <aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
    <mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        For the E-Cat or any other LENR generator to make inroads into
        the global energy generation market, the LCOE per kWh of
        delivered energy must be lower than from any other comparable
        energy sources or there is simply no market for it.


    Yup. That's a key point.

    You mean a market for the device as a practical source of energy.
    A person could sell eCats as experimental devices. You could sell
    thousands at a premium price to laboratories worldwide. Later you
    might even sell them as a novelty item, similar to today's
    high-end electric cars. Toys for rich people. Early automobiles
    and microcomputers were novelty items.


        The top of the LCOE scale probably starts as a drop it in a
        remote site (could be in outer space) somewhere and generate
        heat and electricity. For that market the acceptable LCOE of
the delivered energy is very high.

    Yup again. Other examples of critical power that people will pay a
    premium for include: pacemaker batteries, heart assist pumps
    (Ventricular Assist Device), hearing aid batteries, watch
    batteries, remote telephone repeaters, cell phone
    batteries, aviation, and highway sensors (now served by solar panels).

    The technology has to be developed to a high state of reliability
    before such applications can be served. The same goes for military
    applications, as you pointed out.

        For domestic situations the max acceptable LCOE drops quite a
        bit and for on grid electricity generation the required LCOE
        hits rock bottom.


    Yup. Because of that, this is may be the last market you want to
    approach.

    See Christensen, "The Innovator's Dilemma" for ideas about good
    markets to begin with. This book introduces the concepts of
    disruptive versus sustaining technology. These terms have become
    widely used clichés in modern business, but people often
    misunderstand the original concept. I discussed this book in
    chapter 7 of my book. I highly recommend reading the original.

    Christensen came out with a follow-up book which was also
    interesting. It needs editing.


I don't understand any of that in the slightest. The device as it is supposed to be would immediately and without any changes be an excellent heat source. That's what makes the famous photo of Rossi, Levi and Focardi (was it?) huddled around the E-cat in huge winter coats so comical! Even as primitive a device as the early E-cats would be completely welcome as a space heater and hot water source in any cold environment. Imagine an isolated ski cabin in the Alps with no electricity. You wouldn't need to gather wood any more to keep warm all winter long. Same for cooking.

But this is very silly conjecture. If the device worked, which is very doubtful at this point, it would be researched and rapidly improved and developed into much higher temperature regimes. That would make it suitable for propulsion and as a source of electricity. It would within a very few years have myriads of applications. And simply routing a bit of the output back to the input through a regulator would make it self sustaining. Of course all of that is just fanciful thinking and wishing.

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