I don't think it would be a problem at any University that has one - to secure a standard gamma source for testing, for this reason.
If there is any conceivable way to shield against gammas more efficiently - then this is very valuable knowledge for such things as space exploration. Plus it is new physics. and it does not absolutely have to be associated with you-know-what, to be important. Hagelstein does a few other things besides LENR, after all. From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint But what is the likelihood that Peter would get permission to use a beam line for that debunked/junk science called cold fusion? Probability is very low. and if the hot fusion group has any say, the probability is zero. -mi From: Jones Beene Yes, and let me add this. Peter Hagelstein has been the primary proponent of the "magic phonon" hypothesis - the nearly complete adsorption of gamma rays by phonons - but he is quick to admit there is no physical evidence for it. What he does not say is that the evidence would be incredibly easy for him to demonstrate, if it were there - and moreover - within walking distance for him to find the proper place to do it. He can get surely get free time on a beam line at MIT or other source of gamma radiation. Following which, the procedure to measure Pd-D to see if it does absorb gammas (nearly perfectly) or not, is almost self-evident. Yes, It is that simple ! . yet it has not been done. Connect the dots. The lack of evidence in this case, where it should be so simple to come by, is itself evidence indicating that the magic-phonon hypothesis is bogus. Jones From: Nigel Dyer I think we should be considering the possibility that there are no gammas in the first place. After the LENR event the nucleus will be in a highly excited and state and will need to release its energy. The conventional route is via gamma (and/or an energetic particle) with the options determined by energy and momentum balance. One possibility that keeps being suggested in this forum is that there is some kind of resonant optical vibrational mode within small domains within the lattice. The more quanta of energy there is associated with the mode, the higher the probability that energy from some coupled excited state will be coupled into the state (because quanta of vibrational energy obey Bose statistics). This will then pump the mode to a more energetic state, much in the manner of a laser. This may be the route that the energy from the excited Nickel/Copper nucleus is able to be coupled to thermal lattice energy, via the intermediate resonant mode. The principles of such systems were looked at by Herbert Frohlich in the 1960's http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0375960168902429 If this was the case, then what we ought to be doing is seeing if we can extract the energy from the mode before it is thermalized, which would dramatically increase the efficiency of the system if we want it to do work, such as generate electricity. Nigel Jones Beene wrote: Hi Mark Good finds - burning the midnight oil it seems - but for the record, the massive preponderance of evidence is that gammas are not absorbed into phonons. In fact there is not a single shred of evidence that this can happen. Jones
