I sited this link in my poat, you must have missed it.

http://everything2.com/title/proton-proton+chain

See the PPIII section at the end of list.
Cheers: Axil

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
<a...@lomaxdesign.com>wrote:

> I think the Be-8 ground state decay to 2 He-4 is at about the 93 KeV
> figure. Not the higher figure. Where did you get 18 MeV?
>
>


>
>
> My understanding is that 4D -> Be-8 + about 47.6 MeV, which is initially
> as a nuclear excited state. Some of that may be emitted as a series of
> photons. If the Be-8 nucleus lasts long enough, it will decay to the ground
> state, leaving only the 93 KeV to show up as dual He-4 kinetic energy. If
> the initial fusion was within a BEC, there may also be 4 electrons to share
> the energy. It's a stretch, but this is a rough idea of how TSC fusion
> might meet the Hagelstein limit for charged particle radiation in the FPHE.
> I'm not saying I believe it!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What I don’t understand is if this is possible:
>
> 1 - 4He + 4He → 8Be(-93.7kEV)
>  2 - Be8 -> 2He4(18.074 MeV)
>
> If this reaction is possible, and if this is what recombination is, where
> does the 18 MeV come from.
>  Axil
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When the electrons fall back into their ground states we can comfortably
>> assert that the photons emitted will equal the energy input.
>>
>> This is a bad assumption.
>>
>> If two helium atoms fuse about 18 MeV is produced along with a positron
>> and a neutrino. I do not understand this reaction. Maybe someone can help.
>>
>> http://everything2.com/title/proton-proton+chain
>>
>> In the  PPIII stellar fusion reaction, Steps 1 through 3 can be replaced
>> by the first half of the triple alpha stellar fusion process
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple-alpha_process
>>
>> Explicitly
>>
>> 1 - 4He + 4He → 8Be(-93.7kEV)
>>
>> 2 – 8Be + proton → B8 (0.135 MeV)   - other possible reactions involver
>> electron and hydrogen capture.
>>
>> 3 - B8 -> Be8 + positron + neutrino (followed by spontaneous decay...)
>>
>> 4 - Be8 -> 2He4(18.074 MeV)
>>
>> We start out with two helium atoms and we end up with two helium atoms
>> but about 19MeV of additional energy is produced.
>>
>> Where does this energy come from?
>>
>> J. Rohner says that he stops the triple alpha stellar fusion process
>> before a third helium atom is fused. He calls this process recombination as
>> the Be8 fissions back to two helium atoms.
>>
>>
>> Cheers:   Axil
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:44 PM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Let's say you've got a xenon atom.  It likes to absorb energy and emit
>>> photons.  You know, xenon lamps etc.
>>>
>>> OK, so lets ask a real simple question:
>>>
>>> When a tube filled with xenon gas has some energy pumped into it and the
>>> electrons go to higher orbitals -- yes this happens for a very short period
>>> of time before photons are emitted but let's talk about just the short
>>> period of time.  The diameter of the atoms presumably increases.  Does the
>>> gas pressure increase during that interval?
>>>
>>> Now lets say that the energy is sufficient to actually strip the
>>> electrons away and form an ionized gas for a short interval.  Does the
>>> ionized gas pressure increase during that interval?
>>>
>>> Now lets talk about really-simple magnetic confinement (say a magnetic
>>> mirror <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_mirror> type bottle) used
>>> in conjunction with a solid tube so that the non-conducting (because
>>> non-ionized) gas phase is confined by the solid tube and the conducting
>>> (because) ionized gas phase is confined by the magnetic bottle:
>>>
>>> When the electrons fall back into their ground states we can comfortably
>>> assert that the photons emitted will equal the energy input.  However, what
>>> if the plasma has expanded during the high pressure phase, ie:  done work
>>> against the magnetic confinement (like, oh, I don't know, generating an
>>> electrical power spike in a conductor associated with the magnetic field).
>>>  Does that mean the "free" electrons of the plasma no longer want to return
>>> to their ground states and give up exactly the same amount of energy that
>>> they would have in the absence of having done work?  If not, where did the
>>> electrons go and where do the xenon atoms get electrons to substitute for
>>> them?
>>>
>>
>>
>

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