There are no good explanations for the Papp phenomenon. One isn't simply talking about the veracity of two men signing an affidavit but of world-class experts in high power machinery who actually fabricated the device attested by the two men. We can ignore, for the sake of argument, all of the midwestern investors who were from a long tradition of agrarian self-sufficiency which featured a great deal of on-the-spot fabrication of make-shift inventions to get the job done without the support of urban infrastructure. Let's just talk about these 5 people (excluding, of course, Papp himeself). One might be convinced that the Rohner brothers were in some kind of conspiracy to defraud with Rohner but one cannot be convinced that Rohner Machine Works was so inept as to mistake negative net work from one of their own machines for 100 horsepower.
So let's run with the Rohner conspiracy theory: The two highest-likelihood conditional hypotheses involving the Joint Affidavit signed by George J. Nolan, PhD and Dennis Hodges are, again, ineptitude in mistaking net negative work for 100hp -- or collusion in the Rohner conspiracy. Do we have any reason to believe that either of Nolan or Hodges had any prior connection with Papp or the Rohners or that Nolan or Hodges had a background of suspected fraud? It seems ineptitude is more likely since neither Nolan nor Hodges could be considered in the same class as the Rohners when it comes to high power machinery. So let's run with that branch in the conditional hypotheses tree: The geographically remote Papp and the Rohners entered into a conspiracy to defraud the public and sought out, as dupes in their scheme, a PhD in chemistry and the owner of an "independent diesel service", also geographically remote from Papp and the Rohners. Papp and the Rohners then presented their dupes with a form in which the dupes were to place numbers and signatures. Papp then managed to make it appear that 100hp came out of his fraudulent device for an hour to the satisfaction of the dupes, so that they would sign the affidavit. Papp took the secret to his grave and the Rohners continued in their efforts to defraud to the present day (we can, I suppose, explain the rancor between the brothers Rohner as a continuation of the fraud taking the form of two fraud artists competing for the same pool of marks). Does that about sum up the best alternative to "For some mysterious reason no one has been able to get this thing to work for decades but its real." hypothesis? On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:19 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: > You're right about the wire size calculations but during the test with > Feynman, the Papp engine was not connected to a dyno. Wasn't it just free > spinning? Somebody correct me. > > If it was just free spinning without a load, a single battery would have > suffice for a long time. > > If you are talking about the dyno test with the affidavit from 2 men, I > guess it all boils down the veracity of those two men. > > > But the obvious question is, why don't we have a working Papp engine by > now. If the patent is public domain, surely someone close to Papp would > have realized the potential of this engine and recreated it. The Rohner > boys would have been in such a position and yet, after 30 years, all they > have are kits and demo poppers. > > > Jojo > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Fletcher" <a...@well.com> > To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [Vo]:110 automobile batteries to power the Oklahoma Noble Gas > Engine? > > > From: "Alan Fletcher" <a...@well.com>\ >>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:46:13 PM >>> >> >> While you're at it, calculate the diameter of the 3-wire extension >>> cord needed to power it from the mains! >>> >> >> 107 hp = 78.7 KW / 120 V = 655 Amps >> >> https://wiktel.com/standards/**ampacit.htm<https://wiktel.com/standards/ampacit.htm> >> >> Highest gauge listed = 0000 = 260A (in insulated 3-wire cable) >> http://www.powerstream.com/**Wire_Size.htm<http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm>0000 >> = Diameter 0.46" (1.6mm). >> >> Allowing for insulation, that makes a bundle of about 1 inch diameter. >> >> To carry 655 amps you need 2.5 of them -- round up to 3 >> >> So, Feynman would have needed to yank out 3 1-inch diameter extension >> cords. >> >> >> >
