Erratum: "the Rohner brothers were in some kind of conspiracy to defraud with Rohner" should (of course) read: "the Rohner brothers were in some kind of conspiracy to defraud with Papp"
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:59 AM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote: > There are no good explanations for the Papp phenomenon. One isn't simply > talking about the veracity of two men signing an affidavit but of > world-class experts in high power machinery who actually fabricated the > device attested by the two men. We can ignore, for the sake of argument, > all of the midwestern investors who were from a long tradition of agrarian > self-sufficiency which featured a great deal of on-the-spot fabrication of > make-shift inventions to get the job done without the support of urban > infrastructure. Let's just talk about these 5 people (excluding, of > course, Papp himeself). One might be convinced that the Rohner brothers > were in some kind of conspiracy to defraud with Rohner but one cannot be > convinced that Rohner Machine Works was so inept as to mistake negative net > work from one of their own machines for 100 horsepower. > > So let's run with the Rohner conspiracy theory: > > The two highest-likelihood conditional hypotheses involving the Joint > Affidavit signed by George J. Nolan, PhD and Dennis Hodges are, again, > ineptitude in mistaking net negative work for 100hp -- or collusion in the > Rohner conspiracy. Do we have any reason to believe that either of Nolan > or Hodges had any prior connection with Papp or the Rohners or that Nolan > or Hodges had a background of suspected fraud? It seems ineptitude is more > likely since neither Nolan nor Hodges could be considered in the same class > as the Rohners when it comes to high power machinery. So let's run with > that branch in the conditional hypotheses tree: > > The geographically remote Papp and the Rohners entered into a conspiracy > to defraud the public and sought out, as dupes in their scheme, a PhD in > chemistry and the owner of an "independent diesel service", also > geographically remote from Papp and the Rohners. Papp and the Rohners then > presented their dupes with a form in which the dupes were to place numbers > and signatures. Papp then managed to make it appear that 100hp came out of > his fraudulent device for an hour to the satisfaction of the dupes, so that > they would sign the affidavit. > > Papp took the secret to his grave and the Rohners continued in their > efforts to defraud to the present day (we can, I suppose, explain the > rancor between the brothers Rohner as a continuation of the fraud taking > the form of two fraud artists competing for the same pool of marks). > > Does that about sum up the best alternative to "For some mysterious reason > no one has been able to get this thing to work for decades but its real." > hypothesis? > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:19 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> You're right about the wire size calculations but during the test with >> Feynman, the Papp engine was not connected to a dyno. Wasn't it just free >> spinning? Somebody correct me. >> >> If it was just free spinning without a load, a single battery would have >> suffice for a long time. >> >> If you are talking about the dyno test with the affidavit from 2 men, I >> guess it all boils down the veracity of those two men. >> >> >> But the obvious question is, why don't we have a working Papp engine by >> now. If the patent is public domain, surely someone close to Papp would >> have realized the potential of this engine and recreated it. The Rohner >> boys would have been in such a position and yet, after 30 years, all they >> have are kits and demo poppers. >> >> >> Jojo >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Fletcher" <a...@well.com> >> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:29 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:110 automobile batteries to power the Oklahoma Noble >> Gas Engine? >> >> >> From: "Alan Fletcher" <a...@well.com>\ >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:46:13 PM >>>> >>> >>> While you're at it, calculate the diameter of the 3-wire extension >>>> cord needed to power it from the mains! >>>> >>> >>> 107 hp = 78.7 KW / 120 V = 655 Amps >>> >>> https://wiktel.com/standards/**ampacit.htm<https://wiktel.com/standards/ampacit.htm> >>> >>> Highest gauge listed = 0000 = 260A (in insulated 3-wire cable) >>> http://www.powerstream.com/**Wire_Size.htm<http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm>0000 >>> = Diameter 0.46" (1.6mm). >>> >>> Allowing for insulation, that makes a bundle of about 1 inch diameter. >>> >>> To carry 655 amps you need 2.5 of them -- round up to 3 >>> >>> So, Feynman would have needed to yank out 3 1-inch diameter extension >>> cords. >>> >>> >>> >> >
