Are you stating that the President is Muslim?
On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: > Lomax does not understand that this Executive Order covers anything related > to previous and current presidents. Anything about this current president is > covered by this order. IF anyone wants to release information about Obama's > BC, they have to go thru Eric Holder (the corrupt right henchman) or thru the > Presidential counsel; for approval. This is the veil of corruption > surrounding this usurper-in-thief and people like lomax are gving him a pass. > I'm not surprised as lies are OK for Lomax as long as it helps prop up his > illegitimate usurper muslim president. > > > > Jojo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" > <a...@lomaxdesign.com> > To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>; <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:59 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies > > >> At 03:50 AM 12/27/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: >>> Here is the actual Executive Order that Obama issued immediately after he >>> took power. The Media spins this as rescinding a Bush Executive Order >>> 13233. But in fact, it is a new Executive Order to specifically require >>> his approval before release of any information, obstensively because of >>> "Executive Privelege". >> >> Obstentively? Took me a moment. Ostensibly. >> >> "Release of any information." Sure. "Any information" of what type, where >> located, and by whom? >> >>> Now, Lomax, who is lying now. Do I get my apology now? What exactly have >>> you debunked? .... you blatant liar. >> >> No, no apology, unless you show that the Executive Order does what you >> claimed. I not only never claimed that this *particular* Exectuive Order did >> not exist, I linked to it and discussed it specifically. >> >> [...] >>> Go Ahead, take you best spin shoot. Let's see what spin and lies you'll >>> come up next. >> >> You've acknowledged all along that what you are doing is spinning. You have >> acknowledged that you say things that aren't true to create a dramatic >> image. That's "spin." But I'll give you a fair chance here. >> >> You claimed that this document is an Executive Order which blocks access to >> Obama's vault BC. Below, I quote a bit of what I wrote, to which you are >> responding. I wrote, in more than one way, "If he fails to apologize, or >> point to an actual order doing what he claimed, he is, effectively, a liar." >> >> Okay, how does this Order do that? What would cause this document to apply >> to birth records held by Hawaiian state officials? It's all here right in >> front of us, no more research should be necessary. >> >> But, also for the record, I'll say it again: There is no Executive Order >> that blocks public access to the "vault" birth certificate. That access is >> blocked by Hawaiian law on the privacy of records (as is true, I think, in >> all states). Some access to records is blocked by HIPAA, a federal law >> relating to the privacy of medical records, and there are other laws >> protecting the privacy of certain records, but no relevant Executive Order >> that does what Jojo claims. >> >> He lied, and he is continuing to lie. But ... his turn. >> >>> THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary >>> >>> For Immediate Release January 21, 2009 >>> >>> EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489 - - - - - - - >>> >>> PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS >>> >>> By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws >>> of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies and >>> procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent and >>> former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records by >>> the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant to the >>> Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section >>> 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order: >>> >>> (a) "Archivist" refers to the Archivist of the United States or his >>> designee. (b) "NARA" refers to the National Archives and Records >>> Administration. >>> >>> (c) "Presidential Records Act" refers to the Presidential Records Act, 44 >>> U.S.C. 2201-2207. >>> >>> (d) "NARA regulations" refers to the NARA regulations implementing the >>> Presidential Records Act, 36 C.F.R. Part 1270. >>> >>> (e) "Presidential records" refers to those documentary materials maintained >>> by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, including Vice >>> Presidential records. >>> >>> (f) "Former President" refers to the former President during whose term or >>> terms of office particular Presidential records were created. >>> >>> (g) A "substantial question of executive privilege" exists if NARA's >>> disclosure of Presidential records might impair national security >>> (including the conduct of foreign relations), law enforcement, or the >>> deliberative processes of the executive branch. >>> >>> (h) A "final court order" is a court order from which no appeal may be >>> taken. >>> >>> Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records. (a) When the >>> Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his >>> intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the >>> NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the >>> incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the >>> disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of >>> executive privilege. However, nothing in this order is intended to affect >>> the right of the incumbent or former Presidents to invoke executive >>> privilege with respect to materials not identified by the Archivist. Copies >>> of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the >>> President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General >>> (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). >>> The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the >>> former President or his designated representative. (b) Upon the passage of >>> 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former Presidents of a notice of >>> intent to disclose Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the >>> records covered by the notice, unless during that time period the Archivist >>> has received a claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or former >>> President or the Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent President >>> or his designee to extend the time period for a time certain and with >>> reason for the extension of time provided in the notice. If a shorter >>> period of time is required under the circumstances set forth in section >>> 1270.44 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist shall so indicate in the >>> notice. >>> >>> Sec. 3. Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President. (a) Upon >>> receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the >>> Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for >>> the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review >>> as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and consult with >>> each other, the Archivist, and such other executive agencies as they deem >>> appropriate concerning whether invocation of executive privilege is >>> justified. >>> >>> (b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the exercise >>> of their discretion and after appropriate review and consultation under >>> subsection (a) of this section, may jointly determine that invocation of >>> executive privilege is not justified. The Archivist shall be notified >>> promptly of any such determination. >>> >>> (c) If either the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President believes >>> that the circumstances justify invocation of executive privilege, the issue >>> shall be presented to the President by the Counsel to the President and the >>> Attorney General. >>> >>> (d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel to >>> the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and the >>> Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the specific >>> Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such notice, the >>> Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless directed to do >>> so by an incumbent President or by a final court order. >>> >>> Sec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President. (a) Upon receipt >>> of a claim of executive privilege by a living former President, the >>> Archivist shall consult with the Attorney General (through the Assistant >>> Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel to the >>> President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist deems >>> appropriate concerning the Archivist's determination as to whether to honor >>> the former President's claim of privilege or instead to disclose the >>> Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege. Any >>> determination under section 3 of this order that executive privilege shall >>> not be invoked by the incumbent President shall not prejudice the >>> Archivist's determination with respect to the former President's claim of >>> privilege. >>> >>> (b) In making the determination referred to in subsection (a) of this >>> section, the Archivist shall abide by any instructions given him by the >>> incumbent President or his designee unless otherwise directed by a final >>> court order. The Archivist shall notify the incumbent and former Presidents >>> of his determination at least 30 days prior to disclosure of the >>> Presidential records, unless a shorter time period is required in the >>> circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations. Copies >>> of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the >>> President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General >>> (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). >>> The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the >>> former President or his designated representative. >>> >>> Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to >>> impair or otherwise affect: >>> >>> (i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head >>> thereof; or (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and >>> Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals. >>> >>> (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and >>> subject to the availability of appropriations. (c) This order is not >>> intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or >>> procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United >>> States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or >>> agents, or any other person. >>> >>> Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked. >>> >>> BARACK OBAMA >>> >>> THE WHITE HOUSE, January 21, 2009. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" >>> <a...@lomaxdesign.com> >>> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:51 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age >>> >>> >>>> Conclusion, there is no such Executive Order. It appears that Jojo Jaro >>>> believes birther myths, long after they have been conclusively and with >>>> evidence debunked. If he fails to apologize, or point to an actual order >>>> doing what he claimed, he is, effectively, a liar. >> >> Notice, the above is in reference to what was said below. Jojo doesn't >> actually read what he responds to. It was a reference to an "Executive Order >> to block access" to "vault records," i.e., the Hawaiian vault copy of the >> original long form certificate. >> >> >>>> [...] >>>> At 02:24 PM 12/26/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: >>>>> At 01:07 AM 12/26/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: >>>>>> Funny thing is, the new governor of Hawaii Ambercrombie - a democrat, >>>>>> strong supporter of Obama, wanted to silence the birther movement once >>>>>> and for all. So, he sought to dig into Obama's vault BC. Guess what? >>>>>> Even he can't penetrate the veil of corruption Obama has put up to block >>>>>> access to his vault records. Why is there an executive order to block >>>>>> access to Obama's vault BC. >>>>> >>>>> Fascinating. Is there such an Executive Order? That would be quite odd. >>>>> Legally, the President has no authority over Hawaiian officials, unless a >>>>> federal issue could be shown. and this would not qualify. >>>> >>>> Jojo went on to repeat the Executive Order claim that Obama is preventing >>>> access to the vault certificate. Is that true? Is there an "Executive >>>> Order to block access." >>>> >>>> What can be found on this? >> >> and then I went into detail, with links.... >> >
