Lomax does not understand that this Executive Order covers anything related
to previous and current presidents. Anything about this current president
is covered by this order. IF anyone wants to release information about
Obama's BC, they have to go thru Eric Holder (the corrupt right henchman) or
thru the Presidential counsel; for approval. This is the veil of
corruption surrounding this usurper-in-thief and people like lomax are gving
him a pass. I'm not surprised as lies are OK for Lomax as long as it helps
prop up his illegitimate usurper muslim president.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <a...@lomaxdesign.com>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>; <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies
At 03:50 AM 12/27/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Here is the actual Executive Order that Obama issued immediately after he
took power. The Media spins this as rescinding a Bush Executive Order
13233. But in fact, it is a new Executive Order to specifically require
his approval before release of any information, obstensively because of
"Executive Privelege".
Obstentively? Took me a moment. Ostensibly.
"Release of any information." Sure. "Any information" of what type, where
located, and by whom?
Now, Lomax, who is lying now. Do I get my apology now? What exactly have
you debunked? .... you blatant liar.
No, no apology, unless you show that the Executive Order does what you
claimed. I not only never claimed that this *particular* Exectuive Order
did not exist, I linked to it and discussed it specifically.
[...]
Go Ahead, take you best spin shoot. Let's see what spin and lies you'll
come up next.
You've acknowledged all along that what you are doing is spinning. You
have acknowledged that you say things that aren't true to create a
dramatic image. That's "spin." But I'll give you a fair chance here.
You claimed that this document is an Executive Order which blocks access
to Obama's vault BC. Below, I quote a bit of what I wrote, to which you
are responding. I wrote, in more than one way, "If he fails to apologize,
or point to an actual order doing what he claimed, he is, effectively, a
liar."
Okay, how does this Order do that? What would cause this document to apply
to birth records held by Hawaiian state officials? It's all here right in
front of us, no more research should be necessary.
But, also for the record, I'll say it again: There is no Executive Order
that blocks public access to the "vault" birth certificate. That access is
blocked by Hawaiian law on the privacy of records (as is true, I think, in
all states). Some access to records is blocked by HIPAA, a federal law
relating to the privacy of medical records, and there are other laws
protecting the privacy of certain records, but no relevant Executive Order
that does what Jojo claims.
He lied, and he is continuing to lie. But ... his turn.
THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release January 21, 2009
EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489 - - - - - - -
PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the
laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies
and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent
and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential
records by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby ordered as
follows: Section 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order:
(a) "Archivist" refers to the Archivist of the United States or his
designee. (b) "NARA" refers to the National Archives and Records
Administration.
(c) "Presidential Records Act" refers to the Presidential Records Act, 44
U.S.C. 2201-2207.
(d) "NARA regulations" refers to the NARA regulations implementing the
Presidential Records Act, 36 C.F.R. Part 1270.
(e) "Presidential records" refers to those documentary materials
maintained by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, including
Vice Presidential records.
(f) "Former President" refers to the former President during whose term or
terms of office particular Presidential records were created.
(g) A "substantial question of executive privilege" exists if NARA's
disclosure of Presidential records might impair national security
(including the conduct of foreign relations), law enforcement, or the
deliberative processes of the executive branch.
(h) A "final court order" is a court order from which no appeal may be
taken.
Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records. (a) When the
Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his
intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the
NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the
incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials,
the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of
executive privilege. However, nothing in this order is intended to affect
the right of the incumbent or former Presidents to invoke executive
privilege with respect to materials not identified by the Archivist.
Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the
President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General
(through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel).
The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the
former President or his designated representative. (b) Upon the passage of
30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former Presidents of a notice
of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the
records covered by the notice, unless during that time period the
Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or
former President or the Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent
President or his designee to extend the time period for a time certain and
with reason for the extension of time provided in the notice. If a shorter
period of time is required under the circumstances set forth in section
1270.44 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist shall so indicate in the
notice.
Sec. 3. Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President. (a) Upon
receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the
Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for
the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review
as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and consult
with each other, the Archivist, and such other executive agencies as they
deem appropriate concerning whether invocation of executive privilege is
justified.
(b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the exercise
of their discretion and after appropriate review and consultation under
subsection (a) of this section, may jointly determine that invocation of
executive privilege is not justified. The Archivist shall be notified
promptly of any such determination.
(c) If either the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President
believes that the circumstances justify invocation of executive privilege,
the issue shall be presented to the President by the Counsel to the
President and the Attorney General.
(d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel to
the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and the
Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the specific
Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such notice, the
Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless directed to do
so by an incumbent President or by a final court order.
Sec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President. (a) Upon receipt
of a claim of executive privilege by a living former President, the
Archivist shall consult with the Attorney General (through the Assistant
Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel to the
President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist deems
appropriate concerning the Archivist's determination as to whether to
honor the former President's claim of privilege or instead to disclose the
Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege. Any
determination under section 3 of this order that executive privilege shall
not be invoked by the incumbent President shall not prejudice the
Archivist's determination with respect to the former President's claim of
privilege.
(b) In making the determination referred to in subsection (a) of this
section, the Archivist shall abide by any instructions given him by the
incumbent President or his designee unless otherwise directed by a final
court order. The Archivist shall notify the incumbent and former
Presidents of his determination at least 30 days prior to disclosure of
the Presidential records, unless a shorter time period is required in the
circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations. Copies
of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the
President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General
(through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel).
The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the
former President or his designated representative.
Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed
to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head
thereof; or (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and
Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and
subject to the availability of appropriations. (c) This order is not
intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or
procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the
United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers,
employees, or agents, or any other person.
Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked.
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE, January 21, 2009.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax"
<a...@lomaxdesign.com>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age
Conclusion, there is no such Executive Order. It appears that Jojo Jaro
believes birther myths, long after they have been conclusively and with
evidence debunked. If he fails to apologize, or point to an actual order
doing what he claimed, he is, effectively, a liar.
Notice, the above is in reference to what was said below. Jojo doesn't
actually read what he responds to. It was a reference to an "Executive
Order to block access" to "vault records," i.e., the Hawaiian vault copy
of the original long form certificate.
[...]
At 02:24 PM 12/26/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 01:07 AM 12/26/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Funny thing is, the new governor of Hawaii Ambercrombie - a democrat,
strong supporter of Obama, wanted to silence the birther movement once
and for all. So, he sought to dig into Obama's vault BC. Guess what?
Even he can't penetrate the veil of corruption Obama has put up to
block access to his vault records. Why is there an executive order to
block access to Obama's vault BC.
Fascinating. Is there such an Executive Order? That would be quite odd.
Legally, the President has no authority over Hawaiian officials, unless
a federal issue could be shown. and this would not qualify.
Jojo went on to repeat the Executive Order claim that Obama is preventing
access to the vault certificate. Is that true? Is there an "Executive
Order to block access."
What can be found on this?
and then I went into detail, with links....