Jojo, you do not speak for "true Christians." I know many Christians and others who find the Muslim call to prayer beautiful.
On Jan 1, 2013, at 12:44 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote: > Other than what he wrote in his autobiography, no. But his autobiography is > a revealing work into his psyche. > > He mentioned that the muslim call to prayer was the "most beautiful" sound he > has heard. High praise from a supposed "Christian". Beautiful in that the > music or melody is beautiful, but beautiful in the sense of worship it > inspires. > > I can tell you now that a true Christian will NOT find a call to prayer to a > moon god "beaustiful" and inspiring. > > > > Jojo > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "de Bivort Lawrence" <ldebiv...@gmail.com> > To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 12:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies > > > This is incorrect, Jojo. > > Do you have any evidence for your assertion that President Obama is a Muslim? > > > On Dec 30, 2012, at 10:17 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: > >> His own autobiography says that he went to muslim school in Indonesia. You >> can't go to muslim school unless you're muslim. >> >> >> >> >> Jojo >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "de Bivort Lawrence" <ldebiv...@gmail.com> >> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:14 AM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies >> >> >> On what evidence do you base your assertion that President Obama is a Muslim? >> >> >> On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: >> >>> No, I am not stating that the "President" is a muslim. I am stating that >>> the Usurper is a muslim. We currently don't have a legitimate president; >>> we have a usurper sitting on the throne. >>> >>> Why doesn't he just come clean? He could do this with a single 2 minute >>> phone call to the Hawaiian authorities to open access to his vault BC. He >>> can quickly end this controversy, establish his legitimacy, kill the >>> Birther movement and start the healing of the nation. He can do all that >>> in 2 minutes, yet he spends over 4 million dollars of Tax payer's money to >>> block access to this vault BC. Why block access to such an innocuous >>> document? WHY indeed? >>> >>> He won't because he can't. This is the pattern of a corrupt leader proped >>> up by a corrupt shadow government strengthened by corrupt demonic forces. >>> >>> >>> Jojo >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "de Bivort Lawrence" >>> <ldebiv...@gmail.com> >>> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 12:40 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies >>> >>> >>> Are you stating that the President is Muslim? >>> >>> >>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: >>> >>>> Lomax does not understand that this Executive Order covers anything >>>> related to previous and current presidents. Anything about this current >>>> president is covered by this order. IF anyone wants to release >>>> information about Obama's BC, they have to go thru Eric Holder (the >>>> corrupt right henchman) or thru the Presidential counsel; for approval. >>>> This is the veil of corruption surrounding this usurper-in-thief and >>>> people like lomax are gving him a pass. I'm not surprised as lies are OK >>>> for Lomax as long as it helps prop up his illegitimate usurper muslim >>>> president. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jojo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" >>>> <a...@lomaxdesign.com> >>>> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>; <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:59 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies >>>> >>>> >>>>> At 03:50 AM 12/27/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: >>>>>> Here is the actual Executive Order that Obama issued immediately after >>>>>> he took power. The Media spins this as rescinding a Bush Executive >>>>>> Order 13233. But in fact, it is a new Executive Order to specifically >>>>>> require his approval before release of any information, obstensively >>>>>> because of "Executive Privelege". >>>>> >>>>> Obstentively? Took me a moment. Ostensibly. >>>>> >>>>> "Release of any information." Sure. "Any information" of what type, where >>>>> located, and by whom? >>>>> >>>>>> Now, Lomax, who is lying now. Do I get my apology now? What exactly >>>>>> have you debunked? .... you blatant liar. >>>>> >>>>> No, no apology, unless you show that the Executive Order does what you >>>>> claimed. I not only never claimed that this *particular* Exectuive Order >>>>> did not exist, I linked to it and discussed it specifically. >>>>> >>>>> [...] >>>>>> Go Ahead, take you best spin shoot. Let's see what spin and lies you'll >>>>>> come up next. >>>>> >>>>> You've acknowledged all along that what you are doing is spinning. You >>>>> have acknowledged that you say things that aren't true to create a >>>>> dramatic image. That's "spin." But I'll give you a fair chance here. >>>>> >>>>> You claimed that this document is an Executive Order which blocks access >>>>> to Obama's vault BC. Below, I quote a bit of what I wrote, to which you >>>>> are responding. I wrote, in more than one way, "If he fails to apologize, >>>>> or point to an actual order doing what he claimed, he is, effectively, a >>>>> liar." >>>>> >>>>> Okay, how does this Order do that? What would cause this document to >>>>> apply to birth records held by Hawaiian state officials? It's all here >>>>> right in front of us, no more research should be necessary. >>>>> >>>>> But, also for the record, I'll say it again: There is no Executive Order >>>>> that blocks public access to the "vault" birth certificate. That access >>>>> is blocked by Hawaiian law on the privacy of records (as is true, I >>>>> think, in all states). Some access to records is blocked by HIPAA, a >>>>> federal law relating to the privacy of medical records, and there are >>>>> other laws protecting the privacy of certain records, but no relevant >>>>> Executive Order that does what Jojo claims. >>>>> >>>>> He lied, and he is continuing to lie. But ... his turn. >>>>> >>>>>> THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary >>>>>> >>>>>> For Immediate Release January 21, 2009 >>>>>> >>>>>> EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489 - - - - - - - >>>>>> >>>>>> PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS >>>>>> >>>>>> By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the >>>>>> laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies >>>>>> and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by >>>>>> incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of >>>>>> Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration >>>>>> (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby >>>>>> ordered as follows: Section 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order: >>>>>> >>>>>> (a) "Archivist" refers to the Archivist of the United States or his >>>>>> designee. (b) "NARA" refers to the National Archives and Records >>>>>> Administration. >>>>>> >>>>>> (c) "Presidential Records Act" refers to the Presidential Records Act, >>>>>> 44 U.S.C. 2201-2207. >>>>>> >>>>>> (d) "NARA regulations" refers to the NARA regulations implementing the >>>>>> Presidential Records Act, 36 C.F.R. Part 1270. >>>>>> >>>>>> (e) "Presidential records" refers to those documentary materials >>>>>> maintained by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, including >>>>>> Vice Presidential records. >>>>>> >>>>>> (f) "Former President" refers to the former President during whose term >>>>>> or terms of office particular Presidential records were created. >>>>>> >>>>>> (g) A "substantial question of executive privilege" exists if NARA's >>>>>> disclosure of Presidential records might impair national security >>>>>> (including the conduct of foreign relations), law enforcement, or the >>>>>> deliberative processes of the executive branch. >>>>>> >>>>>> (h) A "final court order" is a court order from which no appeal may be >>>>>> taken. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records. (a) When the >>>>>> Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his >>>>>> intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of >>>>>> the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by >>>>>> the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific >>>>>> materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial >>>>>> question of executive privilege. However, nothing in this order is >>>>>> intended to affect the right of the incumbent or former Presidents to >>>>>> invoke executive privilege with respect to materials not identified by >>>>>> the Archivist. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be >>>>>> delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and >>>>>> the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the >>>>>> Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former >>>>>> President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated >>>>>> representative. (b) Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the >>>>>> incumbent and former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose >>>>>> Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the records covered by >>>>>> the notice, unless during that time period the Archivist has received a >>>>>> claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or former President or the >>>>>> Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent President or his designee >>>>>> to extend the time period for a time certain and with reason for the >>>>>> extension of time provided in the notice. If a shorter period of time is >>>>>> required under the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the >>>>>> NARA regulations, the Archivist shall so indicate in the notice. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sec. 3. Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President. (a) Upon >>>>>> receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the >>>>>> Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for >>>>>> the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall >>>>>> review as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and >>>>>> consult with each other, the Archivist, and such other executive >>>>>> agencies as they deem appropriate concerning whether invocation of >>>>>> executive privilege is justified. >>>>>> >>>>>> (b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the >>>>>> exercise of their discretion and after appropriate review and >>>>>> consultation under subsection (a) of this section, may jointly determine >>>>>> that invocation of executive privilege is not justified. The Archivist >>>>>> shall be notified promptly of any such determination. >>>>>> >>>>>> (c) If either the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President >>>>>> believes that the circumstances justify invocation of executive >>>>>> privilege, the issue shall be presented to the President by the Counsel >>>>>> to the President and the Attorney General. >>>>>> >>>>>> (d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel >>>>>> to the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and >>>>>> the Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the >>>>>> specific Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such >>>>>> notice, the Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless >>>>>> directed to do so by an incumbent President or by a final court order. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President. (a) Upon >>>>>> receipt of a claim of executive privilege by a living former President, >>>>>> the Archivist shall consult with the Attorney General (through the >>>>>> Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel >>>>>> to the President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist >>>>>> deems appropriate concerning the Archivist's determination as to whether >>>>>> to honor the former President's claim of privilege or instead to >>>>>> disclose the Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of >>>>>> privilege. Any determination under section 3 of this order that >>>>>> executive privilege shall not be invoked by the incumbent President >>>>>> shall not prejudice the Archivist's determination with respect to the >>>>>> former President's claim of privilege. >>>>>> >>>>>> (b) In making the determination referred to in subsection (a) of this >>>>>> section, the Archivist shall abide by any instructions given him by the >>>>>> incumbent President or his designee unless otherwise directed by a final >>>>>> court order. The Archivist shall notify the incumbent and former >>>>>> Presidents of his determination at least 30 days prior to disclosure of >>>>>> the Presidential records, unless a shorter time period is required in >>>>>> the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations. >>>>>> Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to >>>>>> the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney >>>>>> General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal >>>>>> Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be >>>>>> delivered to the former President or his designated representative. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed >>>>>> to impair or otherwise affect: >>>>>> >>>>>> (i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head >>>>>> thereof; or (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management >>>>>> and Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals. >>>>>> >>>>>> (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and >>>>>> subject to the availability of appropriations. (c) This order is not >>>>>> intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or >>>>>> procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the >>>>>> United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, >>>>>> employees, or agents, or any other person. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is >>>>>> revoked. >>>>>> >>>>>> BARACK OBAMA >>>>>> >>>>>> THE WHITE HOUSE, January 21, 2009. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" >>>>>> <a...@lomaxdesign.com> >>>>>> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:51 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Conclusion, there is no such Executive Order. It appears that Jojo Jaro >>>>>>> believes birther myths, long after they have been conclusively and with >>>>>>> evidence debunked. If he fails to apologize, or point to an actual >>>>>>> order doing what he claimed, he is, effectively, a liar. >>>>> >>>>> Notice, the above is in reference to what was said below. Jojo doesn't >>>>> actually read what he responds to. It was a reference to an "Executive >>>>> Order to block access" to "vault records," i.e., the Hawaiian vault copy >>>>> of the original long form certificate. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>> At 02:24 PM 12/26/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: >>>>>>>> At 01:07 AM 12/26/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: >>>>>>>>> Funny thing is, the new governor of Hawaii Ambercrombie - a >>>>>>>>> democrat, strong supporter of Obama, wanted to silence the birther >>>>>>>>> movement once and for all. So, he sought to dig into Obama's vault >>>>>>>>> BC. Guess what? Even he can't penetrate the veil of corruption Obama >>>>>>>>> has put up to block access to his vault records. Why is there an >>>>>>>>> executive order to block access to Obama's vault BC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fascinating. Is there such an Executive Order? That would be quite >>>>>>>> odd. Legally, the President has no authority over Hawaiian officials, >>>>>>>> unless a federal issue could be shown. and this would not qualify. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jojo went on to repeat the Executive Order claim that Obama is >>>>>>> preventing access to the vault certificate. Is that true? Is there an >>>>>>> "Executive Order to block access." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What can be found on this? >>>>> >>>>> and then I went into detail, with links.... >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
