I meant sun core. Giovanni
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Giovanni Santostasi <gsantost...@gmail.com > wrote: > The core doesn't need to have the density of iron people. Look at the > density of the sun, it is extremely high and it is made of hydrogen. If you > compress a plasma you can have any density you like up to degenerate matter > levels. > Giovanni > > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM, ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> The inner core is DENSER than iron or nickel so the geologists just made >> stuff up. Pretty whacky stuff... >> >> >> Because the inner core is denser (12.8 ~ >> 13.1)g⁄cm³[11]<http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_core#cite_note-11> than >> pure iron or nickel, even under heavy pressures, it is believed that the >> core also contains enoughgold <http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold>, >> platinum <http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum> and other siderophile >> elements <http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siderophile_element> that if >> extracted and poured onto the Earth's surface it would cover the entire >> Earth with a coating 0.45 m (1.5 feet) >> deep.[12]<http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_core#cite_note-12> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, January 20, 2013, David Roberson wrote: >> >>> Giovanni, why do you want to make the calculations more difficult? The >>> principle is what we are talking about in this exercise. I suspect it >>> would be possible to calculate the magnetic moments of the sphere if it is >>> important, but the shape is not an issue. It could have been rods that are >>> small relative to a meter and still given us guidance. >>> >>> I hope you are not attempting to calculate this effect to the fifth >>> decimal place when an order of magnitude is adequate to demonstrate what is >>> required. >>> >>> You can measure the magnetic attraction with a scale, but the >>> gravitational force would be virtually impossible to determine without a >>> calculation. Assume that a mass of iron and nickel can be magnetized by >>> some means to at least a tiny degree. It would be difficult to have any >>> measurable level of magnetization that would not overwhelm the force of >>> gravity by many orders of magnitude. That is the entire point of my >>> hypothesis. >>> >>> The sun has a level of iron in the photosphere of .16 % by mass (according >>> to wikipedia) which is a lot of matter . I am confident that this >>> represents many times the entire mass of the Earth. >>> >>> So, it has been established that there was iron available to form the >>> cores of early planets such as Earth. Also, the magnetic attraction of >>> iron particles dominates the force of gravity between them by many orders >>> of magnitude. That leads me to consider my hypothesis as plausible for the >>> formation of planetary cores. Then it would be quite likely that the cores >>> would become large enough to allow gravitation to complete the process of >>> gathering the other elements. >>> >>> Can you suggest a mechanism that relies upon gravity only to do a >>> similar task? Why would that be more likely to be the organizing process >>> considering the relative strengths of the forces? >>> >>> There is supporting evidence for my hypothesis. The core of the earth >>> is iron and nickel and massive. Iron meteorites are available which >>> demonstrate that iron and nickel has been collected in other parts of the >>> solar system. >>> >>> Are you aware of any evidence that proves that the concept is not >>> possible? It would be great if you suggested additional information that >>> supports the hypothesis from your education. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Giovanni Santostasi <gsantost...@gmail.com> >>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>> Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 8:34 pm >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Magnetic Not Gravitational >>> >>> So assume that there is a 0.1 N magnetic force between the two magnets >>> when they are separated by 1 meter can you calculate their magnetic moments >>> given their size? >>> >>> Also you should look at this for correct calculation of magnetic >>> forces between two magnets: >>> >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet#Force_between_two_cylindrical_magnets >>> >>> The problem is how do you get the two sphere to be so strongly >>> magnetized? >>> >>> How rare is iron in interstellar medium? >>> >>> Giovanni >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 6:05 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the compliment Giovanni. I am most definitely an amateur in >>> astrophysics as you suggest, and I do not have time to devote to the field >>> in order to obtain a complete knowledge of all of the basic theories. I do >>> possess an open mind and am a bit of a heretic as I have been told by some >>> on this list. Much of that comes about because I realize that much is to >>> be learned in every field of science regardless of what the experts within >>> suggest. >>> >>> If I were to make an attempt to estimate the knowledge that mankind >>> currently has in the sciences as compared to that which will eventually be >>> obtained I would come up with a figure of about 10%. It would be >>> interesting to have other members make their best guesses just for laughs. >>> Perhaps in 10,000 years if we are still capable of thinking, many of the >>> unknowns of today will be resolved. You hit upon a raw nerve of mine when >>> you suggested that the science is settled in astrophysics as I seriously >>> doubt that. The same arguments have kept cold fusion in the dark for many >>> years at our peril. >>> >>> I just mentioned black holes in passing and do not have any particular >>> questions at this time. Some may arise later, and I would be honored to >>> have your inputs at that time. >>> >>> Let me present a simple thought experiment that should be simple for >>> you to analyze and explain why it is not important. Take two 1 kg iron >>> masses separated by 1 meter of distance. One of the masses is magnetized >>> to a significant degree such that the force attracting the two together is >>> about .1 Newtons. If you wish, we can adjust this force to be more in line >>> with what you feel is possible, but why not humor me for the moment. >>> >>> I used the typical gravitational force equation and come up with an >>> attractive force of 6.67384 E-11 Newtons at that distance. Gravitational >>> force varies as the inverse square of the distance, while the magnetic >>> force varies as the inverse cube of distance due to it being a dipole >>> field. Since the ratio of the field strengths is Fg / Fm = 6.67 E -10 at 1 >>> meter, then we need to go 1.5 E +9 Meters away before the two are equal. >>> That distance is approximately 1% of the distance to the Sun. Which one >>> of these forces would you think would dominate the acquiring of magnetic >>> materials by the 1 kg object within let us say 1,000,000 meters? Unless I >>> made a major error in calculations, the answer is obvious. This is the >>> scenario that I am mainly considering. >>> >>> I suspect that this type of activity would tend to sweep up the >>> magnetic responding materials far better than any gravitational forces. >>> The result would be a tendency to observe rapidly accumulating metallic >>> cores that would then be followed by typical gravitational attraction of >>> the other materials. >>> >>> That is the hypothesis that I am suggesting. Is it your opinion that >>> the collection of material is not related to its type? Please spell out >>> what the current theory suggests leads to the construction of planets if it >>> does not begin with the heavy core as I am posing. >>> >>> It does not come as a surprise that others have considered magnetic >>> and electric fields as important in the past. I just had an idea that I >>> felt like would be interesting to discuss on vortex. >>> >>> Remember, this is the place to bring up wild, sometimes insane science! >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Giovanni Santostasi <gsantost...@gmail.com> >>> To: vortex-l >>> >>> >
