Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:41:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Violante and others are trying the engineering approach From: p...@rasdoc.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>Another problem with this is that in order to bring the cathode surface to a >place where the IR camera can detect heat, you pretty much have to clobber the >experiment. >Plus you make it impossible to do ordinary calorimetry. I would say that one “wind tunnel” type series experiments I did was nothing more than 2 dozen small co-deposited wires with various additives. Their test tubes were all placed in the same water bath (in series for the same current, and zenors across the electrodes in glass tubes for the same net voltage across each so the power inside each were roughly the same). I then just compared them. I did not start with absolute measures, just rough relative measures from the mean. It allowed for rapid screening of various additives. You don’t have to have a micrometer to see which piece of spaghetti is the longest – just line them up. Dennis Cravens Yes very hard to do IR temp sensing in a wet cell electrolytic system.Seems much easier in a dry gas system, which is a more useful result in any case.... If your trying to measure heat generated in a substance....(Which in fact is what your trying to measure) it strikes me that Calorimetry is probably the hardest way to do it.... To stay in theme for this series of posts I'll take some liberties and rephrase.... "A wind tunnel is useless unless you can stick the whole plane in there..."The wright brothers tiny wind tunnel allowed them to measure the parameters necessary to build a plane. I'm trying to understand the best way to build a LENR wind tunnel, and while eventually the goal is to have a macro system that generates useful energy. The wind tunnel goal is to take data.... the value of the wind tunnel is in the data that allows the end result ie the flying plane.... If you agree that the goal is to find a repeatable reliable result then quickly directly sensing the production of heat in the material under test is much more useful than perfect calorimetry that takes hours to get a result.... The obsession with calorimetry seems to be more a byproduct of the early history of this field than the best way to explore process and material options? I realize that I've shown up here as a newbe and immediately gored the sacred cows and questioned the answers of some of the most respected longest contributing members on this list. I do so with great respect for your opinions and only want to explore why and how not insult or denigrate.So if your at all put off by my responses, please accept my apology. Paul