On Feb 22, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Paul Breed wrote:
>A nuclear reaction must produce radiation in some form.
I think this reasoning is how LENR ended up as a fringe science...
IE P+F could not possibly have seen that much heat or they would be
dead from radiation, therefore they are lying...
Paul, the skeptics missed the point. Radiation in some form is
essential. The issue at the time was the form of the radiation, that
was all. Radiation having the required high energy was expected and
was not found. Nevertheless, radiation at low energy has been detected
repeatedly. This level of energy is unexpected but nevertheless
reveals the presence of an unconventional nuclear process.
I agree that in some situations LENR systems make detectable
radiation...
I also agree that there is evidence that sometimes they make heat
and no "detectable" radiation.
Dr Storms current theory argues that for D+D ->4He the system must
emit the energy in small enough doses that
the radiation can't penetrate far enough to be detected....
The LENR on a thin membrane with xray film on the other side of the
membrane experiments show there is radiation..
So yes for LENR to be occurring there must be radiation at some point,
the key question I'm really asking is not is there something
nuclear, the key question is there detectable radiation...
and "maybe" is not really good enough if the goal is quickly
screening lots possibilities...
Radiation is the ONLY way an active material can be quickly
identified. This tool has been ignored. I'm trying to get you and
other people to use it.
Ed
Paul
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Edmund Storms
<stor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Paul, you need to be careful how you describe "correlation". A
nuclear reaction must produce radiation in some form. This is the
only way energy of the required magnitude can be released from a
nuclear process. The only issue is how much of this radiation can be
detected outside of the apparatus. Obviously, not much of this kind
of energy escapes when CF occurs. Nevertheless, the radiation is
useful to demonstrate that a novel nuclear reaction is occurring.
The amount of radiation can only give a relative measure of the true
rate, which is related to the heat being measured.
Ed
On Feb 22, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Paul Breed wrote:
Thanks for the references... there is so much info to absorb in
this space..
As I suspected Piantelli is seeing heat, OR he is seeing radiation,
they do not seem to be corelated. IE gammas are not a good stand in
for heat production...
Paul
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Peter Gluck
<peter.gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Paul,
Do you know:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2011/08/piantelli-taxonomy_15.html ?
Piantelli is the discoverer and developer, and long runner
(solitary) of the NiH system. The tests
were made at the Sienna Univ. the anlytical part at the Bologna u,
(Sergio Focardi et al)
Peter
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Paul Breed <p...@rasdoc.com> wrote:
As I previously commented I'm trying to set up a system for quickly
testing
various materials, simulations etc.... in a dry gas cell.
Dr Storms seems pretty confident that whatever LENR is happening in
Ni-H systems
emits detectable radiation ... IE something easily detected with a
sensitive Geiger Muller Tube..
How strong is the evidence for excess enthalphy and radiation
emissions being correlated in Ni-H systems?
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
