Lots of methods work, not well, not every time, and to such a small degree that
the calamity is always in doubt.
Supplying atomic hydrogen from the dissociation of ammonia is just another
approach. It was worth trying and I got local hot spots.
I, like noone else, have been doing experiments with metals and helium at
non-thermal frequencies. Nothing anomalous has appeared, yet.
The weather is nice and I have got some other things to do now. I am putting
my equipment away for the summer.
Frank
If you want to cause CF, you need to try a method that is known to work, not
something you think might work. Lots of methods do not work. This does not mean
the phenomenon is not real. After all, many materials are not superconductors
yet superconductivity exists.
-----Original Message-----
From: Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Cc: Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>
Sent: Fri, May 10, 2013 9:11 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:got something
Frank, tungsten has a very high melting point that is lowered by addition of
any element to its structure. Tungsten forms a nitride that melts at a much
lower temperature than the metal. Why not consider that you simply changed the
melting point of the wire, which cause a break in the circuit and a sudden
relesse of electrical energy at that location? You really need to consider the
chemical reactions that can occur with the gas.
If you want to cause CF, you need to try a method that is known to work, not
something you think might work. Lots of methods do not work. This does not mean
the phenomenon is not real. After all, many materials are not superconductors
yet superconductivity exists.
Ed Storms
On May 9, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
Do you see a charge in conductivity in the wire just before it overheats?
Increase conductivity could also cause your tank circuit to increase in
frequency.
Can you measure for this?
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:52 PM, <fznidar...@aol.com> wrote:
I was applying RF energy 60 to 500 mega hertz to a thin tungsten wire in
ammonia at one atmosphere.
The ammonia container was very small plastic container to limit any explosion
hazard.
It was a plastic candy tube from Starbucks.
I have done this with many wires, palladium, nickel, copper, nichrome etc.
The tungsten wire got hot and blew apart at one point.
I don't believe that is was a cold fusion reaction. I believe that the ammonia
disassociated
near the warm wire and caused some local heating.
After doing the experiment many times with hydrogen, natural gas, propane,
helium,
chlorine, the ammonia tungsten experiment reacted differently.
The tungsten wire was extracted from a retro light bulb.
I did not like the tungsten because of its high resistance. It did not
resonate in my
RF tank circuit very well, it tended to damp the RF oscillations.
I wish there was more to offer. I am beginning to doubt the results of others
as I observed nothing but this.
Not much. I could make a battery out of any two metals and a potato for demo
purposes. I could not, however, build
a high performance high tech battery. I could not demonstrate a low
performance cold fusion reaction no matter what I tried.
I am beginning to become suspect of the whole field.
Frank Z
-----Original Message-----
From: Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thu, May 9, 2013 6:19 pm
Subject: re: [Vo]:got something
Frank,
A little more information please.. the citation is for reaction
rate over a thermal range and for different pressure values. Are you doing an
exact replication of same experiment or did you current thru your filament?
Tungsten can be melted if you created a Langmuir torch… I do keep an eye on
tungsten as a good candidate for LENR because it’s high melting temp could
allow smaller more active final geometry if matched with an appropriate alloy..
perhaps you found it if your melting occurred without the electrical arcing
normally required for welding :_)
Fran
http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/AtomicH/atomicH.html Invented by Langmuir in
1926 , this device produces a temperature of 3700 degrees centigrade. Tungsten
can be melted, diamond vapourised.
A jet of hydrogen gas is dissociated as it passes through an electric arc. H2 >
H + H - 422 kJ. An endothermic reaction, with the intensely hot plasma core of
the arc providing the dissociation energy. The atomic hydrogen produced soon
recombines; and this recombination is the source of such high temperatures
(easily outperforming oxy-hydrogen: 2800oC and oxy-acetylene: 3315oC).
The hydrogen can be thought of as simply a transport mechanism to extract
energy from the arc plasma and transfer it to a work surface. It produces a
true flame, as the heat is liberated by a chemical reaction. H + H > H2 +
422kJ. The molecular hydrogen burns off in the atmosphere, contributing little
to the heat output.
>From the May 1, 1926 issue of The Science News-Letter -
"...developed by Dr. Irving Langmuir, assistant director of the Schenectady
laboratory, and makes use of what he calls flames of atomic hydrogen....
Electric currents of 20 amperes and at voltages ranging from 300 to 800"
>From A Text Book of Inorganic Chemistry, Partington 1946 -
"Atomic hydrogen. - Langmuir (1912) has shown that hydrogen in contact with a
tungsten wire heated by an electric current at low pressure, is dissociated
into atoms:
H2 <=> 2H. This splitting of the hydrogen molecule is attended by the
absorption of a large amount of energy, about 100kcal per gram molecule. The
atomic hydrogen so formed is chemically very active. Langmuir also showed that
atomic hydrogen is formed when an electric arc between tungsten electrodes is
allowed to burn in hydrogen at atmospheric pressure. The atomic hydrogen was
blown out of the arc by a jet of molecular hydrogen directed across the arc,
and formed an intensely hot flame, which is capable of melting tungsten (m.p.
3400oC). This flame obtains its heat not from combustion but from the
recombination of hydrogen atoms into H2. It is suitable for melting and welding
many metals. Iron can be melted without contamination with carbon, oxygen or
nitrogen. Because of the powerful reducing action of the atomic hydrogen,
alloys can be melted without fluxes and without surface oxidation. A feature of
the flame is the great rapidity with which heat can be delivered to a surface,
which is very important in welding operations."
From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:got something
I tried all kinds of gasses on all sorts of filaments Got nothing then
something happened with ammonia on tungsten filaments.
http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/1980/F1/f19807600280
I will get to the bottom of what ever melted my wire.
Frank Znidarsic
