On May 24, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
Ed,
I will happily concede your point once the ash is found on a scale
approaching the energy released..but I was under the impression that
to date the amount of ash found in these anomalous heat claims has
always been of trivial amounts..am I wrong?
Fran, the amount of helium has been found to be correlated with the
amount of heat. The amount of tritium is always too small to make
detectable energy. Nevertheless, it can only result from a fusion
reaction.
perhaps they haven't looked hard enough but perhaps also it just
isn't there in sufficient quantity... what is your take on the
claims of cu ash for the Rossi device?
I do not believe Cu can be produced from Ni+p transmutation and I have
been saying this for years. This claim makes no sense and has no
credible support. I have proposed the heat results from deuterium
production, which I'm trying to get people to look for.
If that ash is confirmed it would be more of a transformation than
fusion... My own theory remains ZPE even more so now that radiation
shielding has been eliminated from this latest experiment.
I and several people have seen radiation emitted when hydrogen is
used. This radiation normally has such low energy, it does not escape
from the apparatus. Rossi apparently stimulated a reaction that
produced significant radiation at one time, but this probably had no
relationship to what produces the steady heat. A person has to be
careful not to relate apples and oranges.
I think that like the MAHG the device exploits changes in state
between H and H2 while diffusion is stimulated resulting in a
discount of the disassociation threshold that exceeds OU and tries
to runaway- heat depleting the H2 reservoir until diffusion outward
allows cooling enough to reassociate.. and like the MAHG very
susceptible to self destruction. Whether just a bootstrap mechanism
to the nuclear processes others are suggesting or the predominate
contributor I remain undecided but I am convinced atomic forms of
hydrogen recombining to molecular forms are at the heart of this
anomaly.
Fran, do you understand what you are saying? You are proposing a
simple, well understood chemical reaction can initiate a nuclear
reaction. We know for a fact that simply heating a material to high
temperatures will not initiate a nuclear reaction. In order to
initiate a nuclear reaction, billions of degrees are required, which
can only exist in plasma, not in a solid material. You need to
consider what is real, not what you imagine.
Ed Storms
Langmuir proved that this procedure can even melt tungsten with
arcing electrodes in open air [atomic welding], and when you
consider this happening inside a catalyst like Rayney nickel or
these Ni powders where resistive heating is used to bring the
molecules closer to disassociation... can almost see the runaway
reaction as H2 reforms, giving off more heat then we used from
resistors to disassociate .. My theory being that diffusion through
the catalyst region [tapestry of different suppression values]
discounts the disassociation level based on how different the
suppression level is from the level at which H2 molecule formed.
Fractional hydrogen or hydrinos or relativistic hydrogen or super
catalytic action are all names for this same effect.
Fran
-----Original Message-----
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:05 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
Thanks Fran. It's nice to get an occasional agreement :-) However, how
do you propose to make helium and tritium from D and H by a process
other than fusion? Of course, the process is not like hot fusion, but
this does not remove another process that results in fusion as the
mechanism. The W/L mechanism is the only current published theory
that does not propose fusion, but this idea is so far from explaining
any observation, it can be ignored.
Ed Storms
On May 24, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
Ed,
Good analysis and totally agree with your conclusions except for
your description as a "fusion" process since that remains
controversial would just call it an as yet "undetermined" process.
[snip] , which allows the diffusion rate to drop enough to starve
the fusion process of reactant and cool[/snip].
Fran
-----Original Message-----
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:55 PM
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Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
A great deal of discussion has been generated by the Rossi test. I
would liker to add my contribution.
Rossi has demonstrated two very important behaviors of the effect.
First, the effect can be initiated and sustained for a significant
time at temperatures above 800° C. This means the NAE once formed is
very stable. This degree of stability severely limits the theories
that can be applied and eliminates most of the ones presently being
explored.
Second, he has shown that the effect can be effectively controlled by
temperature. This means that one rate-controlling part of the process
is endothermic. I have previously proposed that this part involves
diffusion of H or D into the NAE. This suggestion is based on simple
logic. The rate of the nuclear reaction is determined by how rapidly
the reactants can assemble, which would be controlled by diffusion.
Of
course, once the reactants are assembled, the nucear reaction would
be
very fast and not be subject to control.
To effectively solve the control problem, Rossi has maximized thermal
contact between the NAE in the Ni and a source of temperature, which
is the heaters. He has to apply power because the NAE in the NI has
to
cool rapidly once the LENR process tries to grow in intensity by
getting hotter as a result of its own heat production. In other
words,
the effect involves two rate controlling processes, one is exothermic
and the other is endothermic. Control requires a balance be created
between the two. This balance uses diffusion as the control
mechanism.
He heats the material to a temperature that allows the heat producing
rate in the NAE to start to self-heat. He then turns off the external
heat source and the resulting temperature, which allows the diffusion
rate to drop enough to starve the fusion process of reactant and
cool.
This process is repeated. A waveform of applied power is chosen to
make this process as efficient as possible.
Regardless of which theory a person wishes to apply, this description
must be acknowledged because it is based on engineering principles,
not on a theory of LENR.
Ed Storms
