It has already been proven that bullfrogs can fly, most likely caused from strings of vacuum energy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raining_animals On Sunday, May 26, 2013, David Roberson wrote: > How do we know that your diode trick will actually do what you think? You > need to prove that this is possible, otherwise anyone can make the > assumption that it might not work just as with the ECAT tests. If you do > not prove that this will work, then why should we accept it as a > possibility? > > A lot of time and energy is being wasted trying to see if bull frogs can > fly. Some might actually be born with wings. Have we proven that none of > them can fly? > > Rossi and the testers have done a lot to prove that the ECAT works. No > one has proven that it does not. The only offers from the other side of > the table assume fraud. Is this a valid position for them to take? > > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Duncan Cumming <spacedr...@cumming.info <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', > 'spacedr...@cumming.info');>> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', > 'vortex-l@eskimo.com');>> > Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 8:18 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Torbjörn Hartman describes power measurments > > I am not trying to assert anything as fact. I am merely pointing out > that a simple diode inside the controller box (to which access was > forbidden by Rossi) COULD HAVE given the observed results. I am NOT saying > that it, in fact, did, merely speculating that it could have. > > For any scientific experiment, the onus is on the experimenters to produce > the result. The best way to do this is to provide sufficient information > for others to replicate the experiment. > > Duncan > > On 5/26/2013 5:07 PM, David Roberson wrote: > > Perhaps you should build one of these scam machines and prove that it will > work without being detected. That would be the best way to show that it is > possible. Why should we accept this assertion as fact any more than > believing that the testers missed finding the scam? > > We can spend an equal amount of time knocking down any theory that is put > forth as others can spend assuming they are real. > > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Duncan Cumming <spacedr...@cumming.info> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 7:59 pm > Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Torbjörn Hartman describes power measurments > > "The only possibility to fool the power-meter then is to raise the DC > voltage on all the four lines" > > This turns out not to be the case. You could also draw DC current > through any of the lines, which current would not register on the > clamps. The simplest way to do this would be just to use a diode in > series with the heating element. > > Since power = current x voltage x pf, it is NOT necessary to change the > voltage in order to change the power. > > Duncan > > On 5/26/2013 2:21 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > A Swedish correspondent sent me this link: > > > > http://www.energikatalysatorn.se/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=560&sid=5450c28dab532569dee72f88a43a56f0&start=330 > > > > This is a discussion in Swedish, which Google does a good job > > translating. Before you translate it, you will see that in the middle > > of it is a message from one of the authors, Torbjörn Hartman, in > > English. Here it is, with a few typos corrected. > > > > QUOTE: > > > > Remember that there were not only three clamps to measure the > > current on three phases but also four connectors to measure the > > voltage on the three phases and the zero/ground line. The protective > > ground line was not used and laid curled up on the bench. The only > > possibility to fool the power-meter then is to raise the DC voltage on > > all the four lines but that also means that the current must have an > > other way to leave the system and I tried to find such hidden > > connections when we were there. The control box had no connections > > through the wood on the table. All cables in and out were > > accounted for. The E-cat was just lying on the metal frame that was > > only free-standing on the floor with no cables going to it. The little > > socket, where the mains cables from the wall connector where connected > > with the cables to the box and where we had the clamps, was screwed to > > the wood of the bench but there was no screws going through the metal > > sheet under the bench. The sheet showed no marks on it under the > > interesting parts (or elsewhere as I remember it). Of course, if the > > white little socket was rigged inside and the metal screws was long > > enough to go just through the wood, touching the metal sheet > > underneath, then the bench itself could lead current. I do > > not remember if I actually checked the bench frame for cables > > connected to it but I probably did. However, I have a close-up picture > > of the socket and it looks normal and the screws appear to be of > > normal size. I also have pictures of all the connectors going to th > >
