Excellent Andrew! As time elapses I suspect your opinion will continue to
improve. Just keep an open mind and realize that Rossi might actually have a
valid device. Have you had an opportunity to look into the operation of the
power meter with various current waveforms? Your research might answer a lot
of the questions that you have posed.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew <andrew...@att.net>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 5:50 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Torbjörn Hartman describes power measurments
Indeed it has Dave. That's heartening.
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Torbjörn Hartman describes power measurments
I assume that your opinion of the test guys has improved according to your
latest statement.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew <andrew...@att.net>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 5:29 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Torbjörn Hartman describes power measurments
My position is nicely summarised in that final paragraph. So if you attack
me, you attack by proxy one of the authors of the paper.
I'm gratified that at least one of the testers had his head screwed on. I
woke up this morning thinking about a wire through the bench into the control
box. Hartman is my kind of guy.
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 2:21 PM
Subject: [Vo]:Torbjörn Hartman describes power measurments
A Swedish correspondent sent me this link:
http://www.energikatalysatorn.se/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=560&sid=5450c28dab532569dee72f88a43a56f0&start=330
This is a discussion in Swedish, which Google does a good job translating.
Before you translate it, you will see that in the middle of it is a message
from one of the authors, Torbjörn Hartman, in English. Here it is, with a
few typos corrected.
QUOTE:
Remember that there were not only three clamps to measure the current on
three phases but also four connectors to measure the voltage on the three
phases and the zero/ground line. The protective ground line was not used
and laid curled up on the bench. The only possibility to fool the
power-meter then is to raise the DC voltage on all the four lines but that
also means that the current must have an other way to leave the system and
I tried to find such hidden connections when we were there. The control box
had no connections through the wood on the table. All cables in and out
were accounted for. The E-cat was just lying on the metal frame that was
only free-standing on the floor with no cables going to it. The little
socket, where the mains cables from the wall connector where connected with
the cables to the box and where we had the clamps, was screwed to the wood
of the bench but there was no screws going through the metal sheet under
the bench. The sheet showed no marks on it under the interesting parts (or
elsewhere as I remember it). Of course, if the white little socket was
rigged inside and the metal screws was long enough to go just through the
wood, touching the metal sheet underneath, then the bench itself could
lead current. I do not remember if I actually checked the bench frame for
cables connected to it but I probably did. However, I have a close-up
picture of the socket and it looks normal and the screws appear to be of
normal size. I also have pictures of all the connectors going to the
powermeter and of the frame on the floor. I took a picture every day of the
connectors and cables to the powermeter in case anyone would tamper with
them when we were out.
I lifted the control box to check what was under it and when doing so I
tried to measure the weight and it is muck lighter than a car battery. The
box itself has a weight, of course, and what is in it can not be much.
All these observations take away a number of ways to tamper with our
measurements but there can still be things that we "didn't think of" and
that is the reason why we only can claim "indications of" and not "proof
of" anomalous heat production. We must have more control over the whole
situation before we can talk about proof.
Best regards,
Torbjörn
END QUOTE
- Jed
