Assume that you have a bridge rectifier in the blue box. This is followed by a
filtering capacitor. The DC is then used by the electronics connected to the
capacitor. Are you saying that it is not possible to determine the power input
to this type of network by measuring the input AC voltage and current? Or are
you saying that someone has performed a scam and put a DC supply in series with
the normal AC voltage?
You do know that this could easily be measured by a simple DC voltmeter, right?
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Cumming <spacedr...@cumming.info>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 10:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Torbjörn Hartman describes power
measurments
Almost. The power being fed to the heater exceeds that measured at the
wall, because the sensor used (an AC current clamp) cannot sense the
direct current being drawn from the wall socket.
Some people find the difference between current and voltage
confusing. What I am saying here is that if you connect a resistor in
series with a diode to a wall socket, then the CURRENT drawn is direct
even though the VOLTAGE at the socket is alternating. (Rossi does not seem
to understand this concept judging by his message that got posted today).
So unless you use a DC rated current meter (such as a shunt) you will not
sense all of the current, and hence power, drawn from the wall socket.
The electrical power meter in your house certainloy IS rated for DC,
so you will certainly be BILLED for the power even though you didn't
measure it yourself!
V = IR
Power = Voltage * Current * Power Factor
Duncan
On 5/26/2013 5:57 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
I wrote:
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Duncan Cumming
<spacedr...@cumming.info> wrote:
I am not trying to assert anything as fact. I am
merely pointing out that a simple diode inside the
controller box (to which access was forbidden by
Rossi) COULD HAVE given the observed results. I am
NOT saying that it, in fact, did, merely speculating
that it could have.
Am I right in understanding that this line of reasoning
requires tampering with the mains itself, where the electrical
measurements were made, in addition to any sly customizations
that might have been made at the controller?
I think I'm starting to understand. This is a separate line of
reasoning to the one about the possibility of hidden DC and RF passing
undetected through the clamp meters at the mains. In this line of
reasoning, the duty cycle (35 percent ON) is misunderstood, and
there is a hidden DC component from the controller delivering power to
the E-Cat, but not above what was read from the wall -- am I
describing this right?
Eric
