Gentlemen: This argument can't be won or lost because at this point fraud can't be proven. There is no evidence of fraud even if that possibility has not been excluded by the tests,
What seems clear is that the measure of output energy was reasonable in the two tests. The input measure of energy is reasonable absent an intentional deception by Rossi or Rossi with the aid of one or more of the testers. That is significant. In my opinion this is a report that can be built upon which I suggest should be the purpose of the scientific community. There can be little doubt that mankind and indeed science would benefit from a clear determination of the reality of this effect. The scientific community is currently expending little effort on the issue and if it is true that is very unfortunate. It is also clear that if the scientific community comes to believe that the effect is real, significant effort will immediately be spent trying to understand it. This is also a good thing. So instead of endlessly debating the past tests the real goal should be making sure there are next ones and that they satisfy the skeptics. I assume the skeptics would find it very unlikely (assuming a fraud is being committed) for Rossi to agree to further testing. This would be telling and evidence particularly since further testing has already been discussed. Instead of trying to prevent them, given the issues that exist, (and I am referencing Guglielmi"s letter) it seems the scientific community should now insist the next tests be scheduled as soon as possible and include as many safeguards as the scientific community can imagine to exclude fraud (consistent with a real legitimate interest on the inventor's part to protect IP). In other words, Guglielmi's apparent suggestion that future tests should be prevented is exactly the wrong approach at this point. His concern voiced can't be remedied by ignoring the tests or precluding further tests but by insisting on them as quickly as possible. (Since for all intent the Ecat is out of the bag) Ransom ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Cude To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question The point of bringing in the Swedes, surely, was because an experiment done only by Levi would not have the same impact, because he has been associated with Rossi, and also because his incompetence was obvious from the steam tests. But if the Swedes are constrained by Levi in the choice of measuring equipment, then that argument is greatly weakened.
