Guys, a few things may be coming together here, first I must admit I was thinking more like hydrino orbitals not Robin's explanation where the proton orbits the electron for IRH... this was new to me BUT a good lesson, I went looking for info on IRH and trying to imagine what Robin meant by a "stuck electron" to allow this proton to perform orbitals around it.. I found the below paper that defines IRH as only becoming possible beneath a certain critical distance to metal surfaces and I thought back to my own posits of relativistic hydrogen atoms where the nucleus is displaced on the temporal axis allowing the orbital to close smaller and smaller "behind" the nucleus... what if this "displaced" smaller orbital does become captured in the metal surface while the well down to the proton persists? Would this give you both the "stuck" property and force the proton to twist around in an orbital because the electron becomes fixed?- The dynamical properties of a Rydberg hydrogen atom between two parallel metal surfaces* http://iopscience.iop.org/1674-1056/20/3/033401
I could see this state persisting for as long as the electron is anchored but would expect a normal orbit to return once the electron escapes from the metal surface or the proton break away as an ion. I guess if a pair of these IRH formed a compound while escaping the metal surfaces that caused this state they might persist with electrons bound in a covalent knot and the protons keeping each other from returning to normal but I still wouldn't expect it to be permanent and would expect it to disassociate easier than a normal molecule. Fran -----Original Message----- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 7:58 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Bosenova In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 8 Aug 2013 19:06:20 -0400: Hi Axil, [snip] >So sorry, please excuse me but the surface electrons on the surface of a >metal micro particle don't orbit. The oscillate in a dipole(s) upon the >surface of the micro particles n an electron gas. > > >In physics, a plasmon is a quantum of plasma oscillation. The plasmon is a >quantization of plasma oscillations just as photons and phonons are >quantizations of electromagnetic and mechanical vibrations, respectively. >Thus, plasmons are collective oscillations of the free electron gas >density, for example, at optical frequencies. Plasmons couple with a photon >(infrared) to create a quasiparticle called a plasma polariton. > >Look it up, Wikipedia is seldom wrong. All this is fine, but what does it have to do with what I wrote here below? (BTW I'm no great believer in IRH, I just wrote my opinion of how it might work, if it turns out to be correct.) > > >On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:32 PM, <mix...@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:23:01 +0000: >> Hi Fran, >> >> In IRH, the proton orbits the electron. >> >> The vastly larger mass of the proton is why the orbit is much smaller. In >> this >> state, the proton is essentially in the classical "ground state", so no >> variation in vacuum density is required. >> >> If you take the equation for the radius of the normal H atom, and >> substitute the >> mass of the proton for the mass of the electron, you will see what I mean. >> >> The energy release upon entering such a state is at least several hundred >> eV. (I >> calculate a maximum of 50000 eV). Note however that the state relies upon >> the >> electron not being able to move, i.e. it is "stuck in place", and the >> actual >> radius of the proton orbit will depend on the degree to which it is >> "stuck", >> because the proton actually orbits around the center of mass. The >> "stuckness" of >> the electron determines it's apparent mass, and hence the CM radius. >> (This is the ping pong ball in the corner of the box again. I.e. the >> electron's >> real mass doesn't change, but it's apparent mass can be very large, if it's >> stuck in a rigid lattice. At least that's the only way I can make sense of >> IRH). >> >> BTW the reason that I say it stays shrunk is that it has lost so much >> energy >> when formed. In order to expand again it would have to get that energy back >> again, and unlike you, I don't think energy can be extracted from the ZPE >> (but I >> could be proven wrong). >> >> New idea (nothing to do with IRH): >> >> Perhaps a Hydrinohydride ion (negative) and a proton can orbit one another, >> analogous to positronium, but with the proton mass substituting for the >> electron >> mass? >> Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
