Dave--



I would assume in the hot fusion regime that significant linear momentum must 
be conserved in addition to the conservation of energy associated with kinetic 
energy of colliding particles.  In cold fusion LENR there is know momentum 
other than angular momentum to conserve.  Gammas   and other linear momentum 
carrying particles are not needed and in fact not possible because of their of 
their necessary of carrying linear momentum.   it is for this basic reason that 
I do not anticipate the existence of ganmas or  any energetic particle to be 
associated with LENR. 



If any has a good physical explanation of the mechanism for the distribution of 
the linear momentum between decay products I would love to see it.


Bob 













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From: David Roberson
Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎July‎ ‎11‎, ‎2014 ‎11‎:‎31‎ ‎AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com




When I take a step back I realize that it appears like a miracle for the energy 
to always come out in small fractions of the total available.  I have to ask 
whether or not this unusual situation may be related to the conditions upon 
which the reaction occurs.  Is anyone aware of an experiment that actually 
involves fusion of D x D at low temperatures while the radiation is monitored?  
 We do have data describing what is released at very high kinetic energies, but 
is there a threshold below which our preferred path may be exclusive?

I suppose the closest analogy would be muon fusion.  If I recall, that pretty 
much matches what is emitted under hot fusion conditions.  Perhaps your point 
is valid and there is zero chance that D x D fusion is taking place directly.  
If true, some sneak path is being followed and it is common for alpha radiation 
to be generated in nuclear reactions.

Plenty of energy can be deposited by alpha radiation into the structure.  
Keeping that under control without generating gammas is quite a trick.  And, 
what other nuclear ash should we be seeing?

I hope that Rossi and the future report from the long term experiment will help 
to answer many of our questions.

Dave
 









-----Original Message-----
From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 11, 2014 2:19 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Dynamic nuclear polarization






From: David Roberson 

 

I think Bob is hoping that energy can be taken away in smaller chunks and that 
is what I would want to see as well….Has anyone identified exactly where the 
large MeV energy from a D x D fusion is stored?  It remains in place for a 
short duration until released.  Perhaps it can be taken in many portions 
instead of one dangerous gamma.  

 

Dave,

 

Once again, the relevant question is not whether energy can be released 
piecemeal, in many small undetectable portions. We can assume that it can.

 

The relevant question is this: can a new and previously unknown mechanism 
accomplish this incredible feat 100% of the time, to the complete exclusion of 
the known mechanism?

 

Clearly – that is most unlikely.

 

The 23 MeV would need to come out in packets of no more than about 6 keV each. 
Anything above this level would show up on the kind of meters which have been 
used for many years, and which have already proved that strong radiation above 
background level is seldom seen.

 

Think about it. That lack of any radiation signature in most experiments of 
this kind means the large amount of energy (from the formative alpha particle) 
comes out in at least 4,000 individual packets, none of which can ever be 
larger than what is detectable. And furthermore, never ever do we see the 
“known release mechanism” of standard physics. If true, this proposition is 
moving towards an “intelligent” release of radiation, in which packets must be 
monitored and rejected if they are too energetic. 

 

That kind of control is absurd, of course, but it highlights the larger 
absurdity of suggesting that this reaction must involve the fusion of deuterons 
to helium with no gamma signature. There are better alternatives.

 

Jones

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