I am wondering about one situation that has not been mentioned as far as I recall. If you place several of the ECAT type devices within a high temperature furnace then the surrounding temperature within the oven will be applied to the ECAT directly. Now that should be enough temperature to enable the core inside the unit to begin generating a lot of extra heat power.
With that thought in mind, one might suggest that the ECAT becomes part of a larger overall system that could actually behave far differently than one undergoing a bench test. The furnace must have some means of allowing heat power to escape through its insulation. If this path is not adequate then the ECATS might well go into thermal runaway. So, I can imagine an overall system that has a number of ECATS operating in parallel with normal heating elements. After the furnace reaches its design temperature it might be possible to deactivate most of the electrical or gas heated regular units and obtain mainly free heat from the contributing ECATs. This would be a way to use the ECATs in a SSM that saves an enormous amount of energy cost. This might be the actual plan in the works. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Terry Blanton <hohlr...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 5, 2014 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:COP of 3 is a problem for electrical -> Thermal Did you see the piccy of Rossi testing those three single phase reactors? Think about that. On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote: > For sure, but it isn't interesting to take electrical and do a 3:1 COP on > it. what's interesting is to take coal or gas and do a 3:1 COP on it. > But I think if Rossi can do that, than I think he should be pretty close to > just using an eCat for it. > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> It is interesting to note that Rossi's lower temperature eCat arrays >> appear to go into service for heating. >> >> If you look at his hotCats, they are being configured as industrial >> furnace heating elements. Operating at >1000C, these furnace heating >> elements being replaced are mostly electrical with a COP=1 (as Bob Greenyer >> showed, some are gas). A COP=3+ heating element for these industrial >> furnace applications will save a lot of money and coal because coal is being >> used to drive the COP=1 furnace elements today. I think the biggest expense >> for some of these large companies that use heat treatment is the energy cost >> and I think a COP=3+ for a T=1300C+ furnace element will sell well. There >> are no heat pumps in such a high temperature application to compete with. >> In China, pollution is so bad that the real cost of coal is high. >> >> The money appears to be in heat at the moment, not in electrical >> production. It is 28F here this morning and we just had our first dusting >> of snow. I could really use a nice COP=3 heater. In cold weather climates, >> even cold weather optimized heat pumps don't operate with a COP over 3. >> There would be a nice home market here. >> >> Bob Higgins >> >> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Interesting posts on e-cat world lately. It's a good point. If coal is >>> so cheap, than a cop of 3:1 for electricity -> thermal isn't going to cut >>> it. >>> >>> They're are going to need to be able to power the cat by coal itself or >>> gas and get a 3:1 thermal -> thermal ratio. >> >> >
