Professor Alfieo Di Bella at the University of Genoa, Italy. Invented a mobius reactionless drive US 3404854"Device for Imparting Motion to a Body". USPTO indicated tests to overcome a US35-101 rejection..involved a lifting balloon experiment.
Ad astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 1:15 AM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: > It would be refreshing to find that the energy is returned, but I harbor > no expectation of that occurring. Consider that what we consider > acceleration is exactly the same as deceleration as far as a ship is > concerned. In either situation the ship is changing velocity as a function > of time due to operation of the drive. > > I visualize the ship as being at rest just before each acceleration takes > place. A force is applied by the reactionless drive at that time which > leads to an acceleration along the line of the applied force. It does not > make any difference what direction that force takes when you consider that > the drive begins to burn up our mass at the time it causes the > acceleration. There is no mechanism available to capture the kinetic > energy that is assumed to exist. > > If it so happens that microwave radiation or any other form of radiation > is emitted from the vacuum as a result of the drive then there may be no > need to consider it reactionless. In that case the spaceman can determine > the location of his missing mass. > > Please understand that I am skeptical that a reactionless drive > is actually possible. The only reason for this line of speculation is to > consider the consequences in case an actual force is proven to exist when > one of these devices is operated. That has not been firmly established. > > Do you believe that a reactionless drive is possible? I suspect that you > are kidding. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: mixent <mix...@bigpond.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Wed, Nov 26, 2014 8:23 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply. > > In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:43:00 -0500: > Hi, > [snip] > > > >Here I have to disagree. It makes more sense to assume that he looses energy > during both accelerations. If that energy goes into the zpe field then it > will > just vanish as far as any observer can determine. The guy on the ship is > satisfied that he used up some of the mass of his vehicle to accelerate > regardless of the direction of that movement. > > > >This strange state of affairs is what makes me suspect of the entire concept. > The mass just seems to vanish from the universe. > > If that were the case, then I would be suspicious of it too. That's why I > think > that if such a drive works at all, then the energy ends up as kinetic energy > of > the craft. > As for the regenerative braking, consider this. It works with electric cars, > because they can exchange momentum with the Earth through contact with the > road. > It is impossible for a normal rocket because they have no "road" with which to > exchange momentum. However if this drive provides the capability of exchanging > momentum with the ZPF, then the vehicle effectively has a "road" available to > it > while traveling through space, so regenerative breaking becomes a possibility. > > In the case of Sawyer's drive, it might manifest as virtual microwave photons > becoming real photons in the drive, as it slows down. If these microwaves are > then "damped" (i.e. rectified into DC and the energy stored), then they might > constantly be replenished as the vehicle slows, thus converting the kinetic > energy of the vehicle back into stored energy. > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > >
