Yes its no good at all. What i think we should do is try for becoming a probationary TLP. A pTLP is a relatively new concept at the ASF where a podling becomes its own self governing TLP with a few other ASF members and/or board members providing some oversight for a trial period until then become a fully fledged TLP. Its an alternative to incubating.
The next board meeting is in 3 weeks, Wed 19th of November, so it couldn't happen till then. We'd discuss it with the board now and get it added to the agenda. Its a further 3 week delay but this approach would mean after then you'd then be fully self governing and could do what you like with out all the Incubator delays and obstructions. What do you say, if that sounds agreeable i'll start it happening. ...ant On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Vinayak Borkar <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi ant, > > I think this project is in trouble. I do not feel comfortable the way things > are going with respect to this release and in the bigger picture, the way > the incubation process works. Its been close to a week since the legal JIRA > got the go-ahead, but there has been no vote yet on the release. Please > advise as to what we should do to push this process along. > > Thanks, > Vinayak > > > > On 10/24/13 1:00 PM, ant elder wrote: >> >> Sorry i've been a bit distracted by a sick child (nothing serious), i've >> just asked for legal affairs to close the jira, hopefully that will happen >> quickly. >> >> ...ant >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Vinayak Borkar <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi ant, >>> >>> Thanks for pushing on this. Its been a few days and there seems to be no >>> movement on any public lists. What should be our next step to get the one >>> last vote to make the release happen? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Vinayak >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/22/13 2:04 AM, ant elder wrote: >>> >>>> Its fine as it is, the text that is already included in the LICENSE file >>>> satisfies the attribution requirements. Requiring text in the NOTICE >>>> file >>>> is only for very particular purposes so is not normally required, this >>>> was >>>> clarified in LEGAL-62 and the legal-discuss@ discussion around that >>>> JIRA. >>>> >>>> The DBLP README you point to also is clear about what they want - >>>> >>>> "a simple note refering to DBLP and/or a link back to DBLP's website is >>>> sufficient" >>>> >>>> Which is exactly what the VXQuery LICENSE file has. >>>> >>>> Lets wait just a short while longer and then i'll get the JIRA close and >>>> ping back on general@ to see if the release can now get another +1 vote. >>>> >>>> ...ant >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Till <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> After Craig's and Chris' +1 on the JIRA, I think that we are down to >>>> the >>>>> >>>>> questions >>>>> 1) if we only need the license in the LICENSE file (as in the current >>>>> RC) >>>>> or if >>>>> we also need an entry in the NOTICE file and >>>>> 2) if 4.2c and d of the http://opendatacommons.org/** >>>>> >>>>> licenses/by/1.0/require<http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/by/1.0/require>us >>>>> >>>>> to also put >>>>> http://dblp.uni-trier.de/xml/**README.txt<http://dblp.uni-trier.de/xml/README.txt>into >>>>> the distribution. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Till >>>>> >>>>> Vinayak Borkar <[email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> hat am 21. Oktober 2013 um 18:58 geschrieben: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks ant. What is the next step to get the final vote? Should we >>>>>> send >>>>>> another email to general@? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/20/13 2:49 PM, ant elder wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes to all those. Well ok I'm not sure if its usual, but its >>>>>>> certainly >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> possible, and it should address Dave's concerns and even if it it >>>>>>> >>>>>>> doesn't i >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> think it should be enough to get a +1 from some other Incubator PMC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> member >>>>>>> which is all thats really needed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ...ant >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Till Westmann <[email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Ant, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Seeing your comments on the JIRA I'm wondering if it is >>>>> possible/usual >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> close legal JIRA's by lazy consensus. And, if so, do you think that >>>>> this >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> would address Dave's concern? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2013, at 11:43, Till <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, those assumptions are right. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Marvin already added some nice and detailed comments on the license >>>>> and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the use >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> of the database in VXQuery to the JIRA issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> I've just added another comment stressing that modification of >>>>> database >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hasn't >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> happened and most likely won't happen. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jochen Wiedmann <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hat am 16. Oktober 2013 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> um 14:35 geschrieben: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the notification. And well done! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> I understand that "database" to be basically an XML file. And we >>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> distributing this >>>>>>>>>> - unmodified >>>>>>>>>> - and as a part of the source release only >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are these assumptions right? If so, I propose to note this on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> issue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jochen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Till Westmann < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > just fyi, I've asked >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/LEGAL-182to<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-182to> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > find out if we can release the DBLP database as part of our >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> release. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> > Till >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> "That's what prayers are ... it's frightened people trying to >>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> friends >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> with the bully!" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Terry Pratchett. The Last Hero >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
