Hi Marvin, no harm done. It's obvious that both Ant and you have tremendously helped us move forward in the past weeks and that both of you would like to see VXQuery as a TLP.
My favorite sequence of steps to this would be 1) finalize this release 2) ship a second release in the incubator with another RM 3) graduate. The reason why I would like to do the second release inside of the incubator is that we then only have to change one variable (the RM) instead of two (the RM and the infrastructure). And I agree with you that doing this would improve our common Apache-fu (which indeed has some room for improvement). Further, I wouldn't mind at all if Ant and you would stick around a little longer to look over our shoulders while we do the next steps. So, if the pTLP would give us the opportunity to make this sequence happen then that's fine for me. Wrt. the to composition of the initial (P)PMC I am also not too worried about the lack of empowerment (but probably I'm not the one who should comment on this ...). I think that we'll get a good, working PMC anyway. The only question that's still open for me is, how the step from pTLP to TLP should work. Would this be the usual graduation vote on the [email protected] or would we directly submit the motion to the Board? Till On Nov 20, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Marvin Humphrey <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:43 AM, ant elder <[email protected]> wrote: >> Sorry, but I don't think VXQuery should accept this approach (yet) but >> should hold out for something better. > > Sorry, VXQuery community. I did not expect this level of disagreement to > arise between your Mentors, though I certainly anticipated that the proposal > might not go through for any number of reasons. The "Plan B" of addressing > the matter in the absence of a structured framework would ordinarily have been > "Plan A", and the analysis and suggestions from the "Transparency" and "State > of the release" threads[1][2] stand on their own. Everything I had to say > elsewhere about graduation and the current collective Apache-fu of the PPMC > needed to be said regardless. > > Ant and I both care very deeply about the challenges that podlings like > VXQuery have faced. Perhaps our exchange gives you insight into your > experiences over the last four years. The Incubator is an attempt to solve > hard problems in project governance. It has many strengths but remains quite > imperfect. > >> This is disempowering at a point where we should be impowering VXQuery >> members. > > I vehemently dispute that the proposal is disempowering. It is precisely the > opposite. I will explain the argument on general@incubator. > > Marvin Humphrey > > [1] http://s.apache.org/LUi > [2] http://s.apache.org/ZtG
