On 11/20/13, 11:19 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
Hi Marvin,
no harm done. It's obvious that both Ant and you have tremendously helped us
move forward in the past weeks and that both of you would like to see VXQuery
as a TLP.
My favorite sequence of steps to this would be
1) finalize this release
2) ship a second release in the incubator with another RM
3) graduate.
+1 for these steps.
I would be willing to be the RM for another release.
Vinayak
The reason why I would like to do the second release inside of the incubator is
that we then only have to change one variable (the RM) instead of two (the RM
and the infrastructure). And I agree with you that doing this would improve our
common Apache-fu (which indeed has some room for improvement).
Further, I wouldn't mind at all if Ant and you would stick around a little
longer to look over our shoulders while we do the next steps.
So, if the pTLP would give us the opportunity to make this sequence happen then
that's fine for me.
Wrt. the to composition of the initial (P)PMC I am also not too worried about
the lack of empowerment (but probably I'm not the one who should comment on
this ...). I think that we'll get a good, working PMC anyway.
The only question that's still open for me is, how the step from pTLP to TLP
should work. Would this be the usual graduation vote on the [email protected] or
would we directly submit the motion to the Board?
Till
On Nov 20, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Marvin Humphrey <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:43 AM, ant elder <[email protected]> wrote:
Sorry, but I don't think VXQuery should accept this approach (yet) but
should hold out for something better.
Sorry, VXQuery community. I did not expect this level of disagreement to
arise between your Mentors, though I certainly anticipated that the proposal
might not go through for any number of reasons. The "Plan B" of addressing
the matter in the absence of a structured framework would ordinarily have been
"Plan A", and the analysis and suggestions from the "Transparency" and "State
of the release" threads[1][2] stand on their own. Everything I had to say
elsewhere about graduation and the current collective Apache-fu of the PPMC
needed to be said regardless.
Ant and I both care very deeply about the challenges that podlings like
VXQuery have faced. Perhaps our exchange gives you insight into your
experiences over the last four years. The Incubator is an attempt to solve
hard problems in project governance. It has many strengths but remains quite
imperfect.
This is disempowering at a point where we should be impowering VXQuery
members.
I vehemently dispute that the proposal is disempowering. It is precisely the
opposite. I will explain the argument on general@incubator.
Marvin Humphrey
[1] http://s.apache.org/LUi
[2] http://s.apache.org/ZtG
