Hi Carlo It might be comforting to some to hear that post-Lion sluggishness isn't expected to be the norm, but it's definitely the case with my MBP, and a quick web search of something like 'lion sluggish' indicates it's not an issue isolated to me. Agree that initial TM backups and indexing will slow machine, but I'm talking some days post Lion update, indexing well and truly over (even though I did again in an attempt to try solve the Mail problem) and post-Lion TM backups being no different to pre-Lion TM backups, ie. past the initial post-Lion backup.
Delays caused by (presumably) autosave were noticeable to start with, ie. spinning beach balls for several seconds now and again, particular when using Mail, but that seems to have disappeared. Though if I had to pick a use when sluggishness was most noticeable, I'd pick Mail. No stopclock measurements mind you, just feel. The changes I'm referring to are more the cosmetic changes, which are obviously subjective. Again Mail springs to mind as an example of cosmetic aspects being same or worse, even a little bland, but definitely no wow factor improvement aesthetically. At least not over and above what was, and maybe that's part of it .... how do you improve that which is already excellent? Not all negative ... Launchpad looks nice (not quite sure what it's got over accessing apps via having the Applications folder in the Dock, but nice to have options), and Mission Control is terrific. On the whole I remain ho hum about Lion, though that's when compared to Snow Leopard - OSX still walks all over its competitors. Cheers, Steven On 29/07/2011, at 12:24 PM, cm wrote: > Hi Steven, > > I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of OS X 10.7 Lion. There is very > little reason for your MBP to run slower under Lion unless you have some > extra processes are running in the background. When you first install Lion, > spotlight will reindex your hard drive. This may cause a temporary slow down > until the the indexing is complete in a matter of hours. Another possible > cause for a temporary slow down is that Time Machine will back up all the new > operating system files and this will result in an unusually large first > incremental backup after the install. Apart from that I can't see that any of > the features of Lion would require more CPU time than Snow Leopard. The > automatic versioning does do saves as you type new data into a Pages > document, for instance, but the saves are separated by tens of seconds and > this is an age as far as the CPU is concerned. The new graphics effects in > Mission Control only occur when the user instigates them and they use the > graphics processing unit (the GPU) and thus will not impact significantly on > processing time. If anything, the guarantee of system wide 64 bit drivers and > software may result in a speed up. I have some minor problems with Lion, but > slow operation if definitely not one of them. > > I also understand the rationale for many of the changes. Some are just to > correct historical design flaws that were the result of poor judgement many > years ago and became part of OS X. Others are to prepare the operating > system to work more closely with iCloud and the Apple Store and to reduce > reliance on local storage. OS X is also migrating towards the appliance model > of the iPad where an application can be installed an used with a minimum of > fuss and each application is responsible for its own data. > > Cheers, > Carlo > > On 2011-07-29, at 09:24, Steven Knowles wrote: > >> Thanks for your suggestions Ronni. I began having a look about online to see >> if any others were having similar issues. Yes, not only me having problems >> with Mail's search facility. Rebuilding mailboxes and re-indexing are the >> most popular suggestions, both of which I've now done, and like some others, >> has not resolved the issue. >> >> Lion has definitely slowed my MBP down, so maybe it's too underpowered now >> to effectively handle the full capabilities of Mail's search capability?? >> I'm guessing not though, because it's not that I'm getting slower results, >> I'm getting false results, ie. no returned hits when there are definitely >> matching hits. It's not every search though, which is consistent with the >> experience of others. >> >> I've now come across MS Word 2008 hanging when used with Lion. This is a >> known issue and Microsoft plans a fix. If anybody out there relies on Office >> 2008 and is planning on updating to Lion, might be worth thinking twice. >> Apparently updating to 2011 is an option, a little extreme to bypass a >> hanging problem though. For now I've downloaded OpenOffice until Microsoft >> come up with a fix. >> >> I thought one comment I came across on the web reflected one of my >> perceptions ... "Apple seems to have made some changes for change sake" or >> words to that effect. An example cited was Preview and the appearance of the >> navigation pane on the left instead of the right. Perhaps it's all part of >> the grand marketing plan ... "over 250 features!". >> >> It seems silly to update a new system and then revert back to classic >> features, why update in the first place, but I have checked the "Use classic >> layout" box in Mail > Preferences > Viewing. I find the layout in Lion's >> Mail worse. And I was pleased to discover the "scroll direction" could be >> changed back from the confusing Lion way. >> >> I like to keep up with the latest OS, even if a little buggy, but I'm glad I >> haven't been billed more than AUD 31.99 for all of my Macs! >> >> Cheers, Steven >> >> On 27/07/2011, at 12:11 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: >> >>> >>> On 26/07/2011, at 12:55 AM, Steven Knowles wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I'm finding the search facility for the Lion version of Mail very >>>> unreliable, as in not returning matching messages when it should be. I do >>>> have a fairly large accumulation of messages these days, but wasn't a >>>> problem with Snow Leopard. >>>> >>>> I'm wondering if others have found this, or is it a function of me running >>>> 10.7 on a MacBook Pro 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (must be 4 to 5 years old by >>>> now), which is now considerably more sluggish after moving from Snow >>>> Leopard to Lion. >>> >>> Hi Steven, >>> >>> Have you tried ‘rebuilding' each Mailbox? >>> Click on each Mailbox, Go to Mailbox > Rebuild. Wait until each Mailbox has >>> rebuilt. >>> Quit Mail >>> Open Mail and try searching. >>> >>> If you are still not happy with your search results try: >>> >>> 1. Enable Indexing >>> >>> Open Terminal, and type the following: sudo mdutil -i on / >>> If it asks for your password, type it in and hit return. >>> >>> Re-open mail. If this didn't fix anything, then you will need to re-index: >>> >>> 2. Re-indexing HD >>> >>> Go to System Preferences, Spotlight, click on the Privacy tab, click on the >>> + to add the entire Macintosh HD to the list of "Prevent spotlight from >>> searching these locations" and then remove the Macintosh HD by clicking the >>> - button. >>> >>> Once you've done this is will automatically start re-indexing in spotlight. >>> This can take a long time. When it has completed, Open mail and it should >>> be working properly again. >>> >>> Please let us know how you get on. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Unsubscribe - <mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au>
