Hi Tim,
I don’t think you will have any trouble now you have your iOS Pages App & Pages
Application on your Mac updated to current versions and iCloud syncing.
"Automatic syncing between Macs and iCloud happens in the Mobile Documents
folder.
However, this is not a folder that Apple intends for end-user access. So be
careful if you go meddling there.
It is of limited value in any case. You may note that documents in this folder
appear as folders, not actual documents.
To convert one of these folders to an iWork document, remove the “-tef” from
the extension in its name.
Do this with a copy, moved elsewhere, not the original.
Even if you do this, the document will not open in the Mac versions of iWork
documents. It remains in an iOS-only format."
I’ve included some information for you to read and a web link where I think you
will find answers to your questions.
1. If you can’t open a document displaying a downward-pointing arrow:
If you’re not connected to the Internet, you may find that you’re unable to
open an older document that you haven’t looked at in a while. This happens if
the memory on your device becomes full so that it can’t contain all of the
documents that are available through iCloud.
The complete contents
of older documents are temporarily suspended from the overloaded device to make
space for those that have been viewed more recently.
Connect to the Internet, and then try opening the document again.
The document
becomes a recently viewed document, and another older document is suspended
from your mobile device to make space for it.
To free up space and allow more room to store your documents, you can delete
music, photos, videos, apps, or other items stored on your mobile device.
2. Keep documents up to date across your mobile devices using iCloud:
iCloud stores your documents and keeps them up to date across your iPad, your
iPhone, your iPod touch, and the web, so that you always have the most current
versions at hand, no matter which mobile device you were using when you made
your latest edits. After you set up iCloud on your iPad, iPhone, or iPod touch,
every time you edit a document in Pages on one mobile device, your changes are
automatically sent to your other mobile devices where you’ve installed Pages
and turned on iCloud.
You can also access any documents created or edited on your mobile device from
your computer.
Use your computer’s browser to visit the iCloud website at icloud.com/iwork,
where you can download documents in Pages ’09, PDF, or Microsoft Word file
format.
You can also upload documents in Pages ’09 or Word file format to the iCloud
website, and have them automatically appear in Pages on your mobile device.
To learn more about iCloud, see the relevant topics in your device’s User Guide
(in Safari bookmarks on your iPad, iPhone, or iPod touch, tap the User Guide
link, and then search for “iCloud”).
Here are a few things to keep in mind about how iCloud helps you manage your
documents across devices:
If you edit and close a document, but you’re not connected to
the Internet at the time, an upward-pointing arrow in the document’s thumbnail
image indicates that the edited document will be uploaded as soon as an
Internet connection becomes available.
The edited document is uploaded along
with a history of the edits you made, so when you open the document on another
device, you can undo individual edits, just as if you had made the edits on
that device.
If you delete a document, it’s deleted from Pages on all your
mobile devices and from iCloud storage.
If you organize your documents into folders on one device, all
your devices are updated to reflect the same folder organization.
If you change the title of a document on one device, the title
is changed on all your devices.
If you upload a new document to icloud.com/iwork from your
computer, it appears on your mobile device only after you open Pages and
connect to the Internet.
<http://help.apple.com/pages/ipad/1.5/#tan79be8e93>
<http://help.apple.com/pages/ipad/1.5/#>
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3. Pages for iOS: Changes when importing a Pages for Mac document:
Summary:
In most cases, you will see no difference when you import a document to Pages
for iOS from Pages for Mac. During the import process, Pages for iOS creates a
copy of the imported document and retains the original. After the import
process, changes made to the content or document layout are listed for your
review.
Below is a list of the changes that are made to Pages for Mac documents that
are imported and converted to the Pages for iOS optimized file format:
▪ Documents using page layout are converted to word processing
with text wrap.
Linked text boxes are separated, retaining text, styles, and placement.
▪ 3D charts are converted to 2D charts. Chart data is retained
and editable.
▪ Changes tracked in an imported document are accepted and
comments are not imported.
▪ All links other than web links are removed.
Cheers,
Ronni
17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
OS X 10.7.2 Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
On 30/11/2011, at 1:38 PM, Tim Law wrote:
> On 30/11/2011, at 1:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> I had started typing a reply earlier this morning, but had to halt and do a
>> client’s job and my ‘draft' email did not save :(
>> So I’ve now had to try and get my train of thought back and remember what I
>> was going to say.
>>
>> On 30/11/2011, at 8:06 AM, Tim Law wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/11/2011, at 7:48 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>
>>>>> 3. On return to Australia, I updated to OS5, updated Pages on the
>>>>> desktop, iPhone and iPad, and started using iCloud.
>>>>
>>>> So all the Pages documents were created on the iPad before you had iCloud
>>>> syncing setup?
>>>
>>> Yes, All the Pages Documents I can no longer access were created on the
>>> iPad before iCloud.
>>
>> How did you get these Pages documents from the iPad onto your Mac when you
>> returned?
>
> I didn't. I left them on the iPad. As I didn't need them any more, I didn't
> need to do anything with them. Whilst travelling I used them to write my blog
> on the train for example, then uploaded them to the wordpress site when I had
> wifi. I could have deleted from the iPad at the time, but never got around
> to it. My concern was raised last night when I couldn't open them on the
> machine they were created on.
>
>
>> Did you export / transfer them into iTunes File sharing section Pages App
>> and then selected them all and ‘Save To’ to save them to a location on your
>> Mac?
>
> Nope. As above.
>
>>
>> Did you do this BEFORE you updated Pages Application and setup iCloud?
>
> Nope. As above.
>> If so would the documents open in Pages then?
>>
>>> Documents I have created since updating Pages, OS5 and sync to iCloud work
>>> as expected.
>>
>> As we would expect them to as they are all compatible with each other since
>> updating.
>>>
>>>> Did you sync the Pages Documents to your Mac as soon as you returned home
>>>> to your computer and BEFORE setting up iCloud?
>>>>
>>>> You won’t see these Pages Documents in iCloud if you didn’t.
>>>
>>> They are in iCloud, so I assume I did everything correctly.
>>> But I cannot download them and by clicking on them they have a flag come up
>>> saying they are updating. This never completes - well, after ten minutes
>>> anyway.
>>
>> You will need to let them update to the new format. Depending on how large
>> the 15 documents you created on the iPad while you were away are , I presume
>> this could take quite some time.
>>
>> I'm also a bit concerned (not knowing exactly what you did immediately you
>> returned home to your Mac) if the Pages documents that were created on the
>> iPad prior to updating Pages App & iCloud etc, have not been properly
>> downloaded to the Mac Pages format & are still in the iOS format?
>
> I suspect this is the case. They would have been created in the old IOS
> format. I'm going out for my own work now, so will try to open them in
> iCloud/iWorks again. However this morning, nothing upgraded despite me
> leaving the computer for an hour.
>
> If I try to open them on the iPad or iPhone, both running OS5, there is a
> little blue activity bar across the bottom of each one for a second or so,
> then the action stops.
>
>
>>
>>
>> The Mac and iOS versions of the same iWork document are different. When you
>> load a Mac version of an iWork document into an iOS iWork app, the document
>> is converted to the iOS format.
>>
>>> I didn't upgrade for a few days after arriving home, so 'assumed' Pages
>>> synced as it normally would have done prior to upgrading. I don't recall
>>> doing anything special - y'know, just let the Mac do it's thing….
>>
>> How were you syncing, via MobileMe or iTunes?
>
> MobileMe.
>
>> Did you check you could open the Pages Documents first before you did a sync?
>
> No.
>
>
>
> Ronni, I suspect that will the upgrades of both Pages, and the OS and the
> move to iCloud, these documents have been lost/locked in some past version
> timewarp. This is not a real problem for me now, but I'm cautious for the
> future. Should I be downloading every Pages document I have created on the
> iPad immediately onto the Desktop Mac??
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> DON’T delete the Pages Documents until we have time to sort out what has
>>>> happened and ways to restore the documents.
>>>>
>>>> I haven’t had time to read your post thoroughly, as soon as I’m able I’ll
>>>> get back to you and try to give any assistance I can.
>>>> Just don’t delete the Pages documents because once deleted they are gone!
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure. I won't delete them, but as the posting (below) says, they are no
>>> longer needed. But it's a worry that this can happen following an upgrade.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ronni
>>>
>>> Thanks Ronni.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 30/11/2011, at 6:37 AM, Tim Law wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Carlo,
>>>>>
>>>>> When I go to https://www.icloud.com/ on either the iPhone or iPad,
>>>>> Safari flicks me through to a page that will only allow me to 'Set up
>>>>> iCloud', 'install find my iPhone', and 'Install Find my friends'. There
>>>>> is no option to log in. iCloud IS setup on both devices and apart from
>>>>> this, is functioning as I would expect. I cannot find a place to 'see'
>>>>> the documents as they are stored on iCloud, unlike I could with iDisk in
>>>>> the good old days.... :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> However, when I go to https://www.icloud.com/ on my Mac Mini, and then
>>>>> to iWork, I see the documents I am seeking. Any that are in Word, or
>>>>> created with the new version of Pages on the iPad (I created a test
>>>>> document yesterday before asking for help) are working as expected and
>>>>> will download.
>>>>>
>>>>> However the documents I created on the iPad in October remain a problem.
>>>>> I can select them and delete them. But if I click on them to try to
>>>>> download them, a flag comes up on the document saying 'Updating' and
>>>>> stays there for ages, like 10 minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like these documents are toast. As I said in my original query,
>>>>> the contents of them have already been pasted over into my wordpress
>>>>> travel blog, but geez, if not, I'd be mighty miffed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I imagine I'm not alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sequence of events again is.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Travelling in Europe, I created a document each day as a diary. It was
>>>>> easier to write into Pages, than straight into the wordpress blog site
>>>>> which I could only do when online. The version of Pages on the iPad was
>>>>> the one current in September/ October, 2011
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Whilst I was away, iCloud and the updated version of Pages for iPad
>>>>> was released. I did not update whilst away as I needed to connect to my
>>>>> desktop computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. On return to Australia, I updated to OS5, updated Pages on the
>>>>> desktop, iPhone and iPad, and started using iCloud.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Browsing through Pages yesterday so I could test my new bluetooth
>>>>> keyboard with the intention of recording investigation reports on the
>>>>> iPad, I find these documents written in the previous version are not
>>>>> functioning.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This has shaken my confidence in Pages, as if for example I'm in the
>>>>> middle of a major investigation in a workplace dispute and have recorded
>>>>> the evidence of several respondents, then Pages gets updated; am I going
>>>>> to lose access to all my work??? That's a concern for the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> For now, I'll use iWork online to delete these older documents, unless
>>>>> someone has an idea that might resurrect them.
>>>>>
>>>>> For anyone that's interested, my blog is at lawtbm.wordpress.com. It
>>>>> documents a family trip to Europe using Eurail pass for the trains and a
>>>>> self organised itinerary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29/11/2011, at 10:07 PM, cm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I like the small and light, yet totally functional Apple bluetooth
>>>>>> keyboard as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could try looking on the iCloud website to see what state iCloud
>>>>>> itself believes the documents are in. If the documents are there you can
>>>>>> then download them to your Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To check the iCloud website:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Point Safari at https://www.icloud.com/ and log in using your Apple
>>>>>> ID and password. Check the keep me logged in checkbox if you like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Select the iWork icon if it is visible on the screen. If it is not
>>>>>> visible select the cloud icon at the top left of the page and then
>>>>>> select the iWork icon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) You will then see all the iWork documents that you have stored on
>>>>>> iCloud. If the documents you are after are there, clicking on them will
>>>>>> display a Download button that will allow you to download a copy to your
>>>>>> Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Carlo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29/11/2011, at 20:30 , Tim Law wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First the good news; I bought a Apple Bluetooth keyboard on the Apple
>>>>>>> store
>>>>>>> sale last Friday. It arrived today and synced up easily with the iPad 1.
>>>>>>> It's a nice keyboard to use, good feel, and I'm looking forward to
>>>>>>> using it
>>>>>>> more - in particular with Pages which I've had on the iPad for over a
>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whilst travelling in October this year, I wrote a number of diary
>>>>>>> notes/blogs in Pages on the iPad. When I arrived back in Australia, I
>>>>>>> upgraded to the new version of Pages, and also OS5 and started syncing
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> iCloud.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I find I cannot open the documents I created in Europe. I cannot
>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>> them either when using the Edit command in Pages. There are about 15
>>>>>>> documents. Some of them have a bar across the bottom that looks like it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> waiting to download. Others have an arrow on the top right hand corner,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> when I tap them to open them, I get a message saying I need to be
>>>>>>> connected
>>>>>>> to the internet. But I already am connected....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These are not documents created on the Mac with a desktop version of
>>>>>>> Pages,
>>>>>>> these are documents I created on the same iPad, but now since an
>>>>>>> upgrade, I
>>>>>>> cannot do anything with them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fortunately the stories have already been pasted into a proper online
>>>>>>> blog,
>>>>>>> but if they hadn't been, I'd be really stressed about not being able to
>>>>>>> open them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have an iPad 1, with all software up to date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've not tried to find these documents on my desktop Mac Mini or open
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> on Desktop Pages. Should I?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ta
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim
>>
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