hi Regi got a13 inch Air for the Grumpy camping trips.But my boss can pay for my work machine, especially as i do the school magazine etc cheersrod
----- Original Message ----- From: wamug@wamug.org.au To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:26:03 +0800 Subject:Re: new macbook pros Hey Rod, don't forget you can salary sacrifice this and save your tax $$ so you can option up or save money for the next grumpy trip. Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 13/06/2012, at 7:35 pm, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote: > Thank you Daniel, Carlo and PedroI appreciate your in depth > knowledge.I guess doing the school magazine in In Design and managing > my photos in Aperture are my priorities.Have been chugging away on 3.5 > yr old macbook pro, so any new one will be good.I think 15 inch screen > will be helpful and then because I am a hoarding untidy slob - lots' > of hard disk space is important.And cos I have half a conscience I am > mindful that my school is paying for it.Baring all that in mind at > this stage I am thinking of the 15inch 2.6gh without R Display with > 1TB HD and 8 gb ram. > cheers guysblitto > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: wamug@wamug.org.au > To: > Cc: > Sent:Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:19:35 +0800 > Subject:Re: new macbook pros > > Hi Daniel, > > With all that you said I still see no advantage in the old model. > Whatever you need to do, the new model will do it (only quicker). The > new Retina MBP is truly a technical marvel. To quote again "it is the > best computer Apple has ever produced". > > Just the display is worth the price of entry. :-) > > Some caveats. Because it is so new, I would probably wait a month or > so to see if there are any problems with the graphics card or the > circuitry to iron out. Highly unlikely with Apple's testing and Tim > Cook wanting to appear competent but it is still a possibility. It did > occur to me also that one may not be able to expand the new MBP as in > the case of the MacBook Air but I am not sure that will be the case. > For the MacBook Air they have that restriction in place because of the > nature of the case -- it give advantages in strength and makes it more > watertight. If that were the case with the new Retina MBP I would be > tempted to buy the highest spec one I could afford from the get go. > True you would not be able to upgrade it, but as a trade off the unit > would be stronger -- time will tell on this point. > > Regards, > Carlo > > On 13/06/2012, at 10:39 , Daniel Kerr wrote: > >> Hi Carlo >> >> Yes, had all those points. >> Just to add to yours those. I don't "really" have to lose the > Optical drive if I fit an SSD drive. I already have an SSD drive in > this laptop. (I removed my 750GB 7200rpm drive and put in a Series6 > SSD 256GB Drive. So I still get to keep my Optical drive and have the > speed performance of the SSD. So I could do the same with the new one. > Just swap over the drive.) I then get both SSD and Optical still :o) >> Yes, do have to carry run lots of cables. I was doing all that > before anyway. Plus I always have in my pocket a Firewire800/400 > adapter. It just clips to the end of a FW400 cable. So even if I have > no cables, I still have the adapter. Plus it's lighter. Mind you my > pocket carries 2 flash drives, that adapter and a pocket knife,…lol. >> And I already carry three external drives as well (2 Firewire/USB > multiport drives and 1 USB bootable drive). They have a stack of what > I need on them. So I can keep my SSD pretty lean anyway. I actually > only run on about 100GB at most on the SSD. So plenty of room to work > with. :o) >> I think the ports work out about the same kinda. Cause if you had > the MBP-RD and needed to be on Ethernet, using Firewire then you're > out of pots on the MBP-RD but you still have the Thunderbolt free on > the "standard" MBP. :o) >> >> The top MBP and entry level MBP-RD work out the same price (RRP > $2499), so I was basing it on that. But yes, as you add more RAM and > drives versus adapters, then the pricing changes quite a bit. So the > old MBP would work out more expensive. >> >> But yes, there are lots of good reasons for both. It just comes > down to what the person wants to do with it. >> It's a bit like the argument to go with a 256GB SSD versus the > 500GB SSD. (Or flash drive). Is it with the $600 odd on various > machines. Or can you lean out what you store on the machine and keep > an external USB drive with you. (Or at home). Some will see the value > that extra storage space will be to have it internally and $600 will > be fine. Others will take the 256GB SSD and buy a 500GB USB drive > (which is about $100-$150 depending on brands etc). It's perception of > value versus useful versus budget. >> >> That was another thing with the new MBP-RD. You can't "add" to it > if you have. Budget restrictions mean you can buy a standard MBP and > then down the track add in more RAM later (take it from 8GB to 16GB) > and as pricing comes down take out the normal drive and add in an SSD > of your choice at a later date. I could be wrong, but I think you have > to make all those choices with the MBP-RD at the start as you can't > modify it later on. I haven't looked at that point with detail, so as > mentioned could be wrong, but was just something i had thought of last > night after my other post,..lol >> >> Still though, I'm still un-decided on both,…lol. :o) I think > they're both great machines, I can just see some of the > advantages/disadvatages to both :o) And that may be the same for other > people looking at both machines as well. >> Some will suit one person, some will suit others. That's the nature > of the beast. >> But hey, if we had little choice and only had one, there would > still be lots to decide! lol ;)) >> >> Enjoy! >> >> Kind regards >> Daniel >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4s >> >> --- >> Daniel Kerr >> MacWizardry >> >> Phone: 0414 795 960 >> Email: >> Web: >> >> >> **For everything Apple** >> >> On 12/06/2012, at 11:57 PM, cm wrote: >> >>> Hi Daniel, >>> >>> The rarefied field of the computer service person is not for > everyone. I also operate in the field and have a kit of accessories > that I bring along, but I would point out that the older MBP is not > that far ahead even for this purpose. The kit of accessories for > either MBP still requires that you bring an assortment of cables, > thumb-drive, and one or more external hard-drives. >>> >>> Here are some points to note. >>> >>> * If weight is your concern the Retina MBP starts out life a full > half a kilo (one pound imperial) lighter than the older MBP! >>> * The old MBP does not have that many extra ports. It has one > fewer thunderbolt port and it lacks the HDMI port of the Retina MBP. > The only extra ports are Firewire 800 and ethernet. These are > available to the Retina MBP via thunderbolt adaptors. >>> * A big advantage of flash drives over mechanical ones is that > they are physically more robust and thus less prone to damage by rough > handling or dropping. >>> * Flash drives are, of course, much faster and boot up more > quickly. >>> * If, as you suggest, you fit an SSD drive in an old style MBP > then you lose the optical drive. >>> * Even with the Firewire 800 port you still have to remember to > bring along the two styles of firewire cable if you want to be > prepared for all contingencies. >>> >>> The only real inarguable advantage of the old style MBP is that > they are cheaper, but as the price of flash drives come down that > advantage will likely evaporate too. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Carlo >>> >>> >>> On 12/06/2012, at 23:00 , Daniel Kerr wrote: >>> >>>> It comes down to your needs I feel. As Carlo's mentioned there > are good and bad to both of them. Again, it depends on your "primary" > usage. And what you don't mind "losing" to "gain". >>>> Both the 15" MacBook Pro and the 15" MacBook Pro Retina Display > (MBP-RD) actually have the same Graphics card pretty much. (I'm > comparing both $2499 models). >>>> They both use the Intel HD Graphics 4000 and NVIDIA GeForce GT > 650M with 1GB of GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching. So > that part is the same on both models. >>>> And I would think the "standard" MacBook Pro 15" will still go to > 16GB RAM as well. >>>> (I'm working on an early 2011 MacBook Pro 15" that Apple say can > go to 8GB RAM,..and I'm running it with 16GB PC10600 1333MHz RAM. And > it runs fine.) So I'd say people will find that can be bumped up as > well. >>>> >>>> The "Standard" MacBook Pro has a slightly faster processor at > 2.6GHz versus 2.3GHz. But how much of a difference this is in real > world speeds, would depend on the task. >>>> Certainly out of the box, I'd say the MBP-RD which has the Flash > Storage built in would make data access a lot faster. Whereas it would > cost $480 to add a 256MB SSD drive to the "standard" MacBookPro. So > data access would be a win there. (And I'm not to sure how much of a > difference Flash Storage versus SSD in "real world tests" accounts > for…that and my brain is in almost sleep mode to go look it > up,…lol). >>>> >>>> And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For > some people that are moving around a lot, and depending on the field > they're in, they still want "quick access" to things like Firewire, > Ethernet, Optical Drive. (yes, I know this doesn't affect everyone and > it comes down to their "use of the laptop", and that you can hang off > adapters of the MBP-RD, but at the end of the day, it's ease of use > and quick access. Do you want to carry around a Thunderbolt to > Firewire800 adapter, a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter, a Thunderbolt > Optical Drive. Sure, not everyone has use for these things. But again, > in some circumstances some people do. On the read of various forums a > lot of mobile editors and tech support people do still want these > things. They (we?) carry enough stuff around in our bag without adding > to it. And if you leave it behind or it "drops off" during a transfer, > you've wasted time. (And time is money as they say,…lol). "Oh sorry, > I can't access your Firewire drive today, I left my Thunderbolt to > Firewire800 adapter with my last client. I'll have to come back"). > Again, this won't affect everyone,….I'll just trying to point out > both sides of the coin. >>>> >>>> I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I > know I've looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to sit > down and weigh up the pros and cons of both. And what is it exactly I > want out of the laptop. What features are the "must have" and what > features are the "can work around or live with". Is the Retina Display > going to be "huge" in the type of work I do, versus the (sometimes) > need for "legacy items" in the type of work I do. (How much more > weight can my back support in all the extras I have to or need to > carry around,…lol). >>>> >>>> Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the > new MBP-RD looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from > there I'm sure. But it's what tool is the best for the job….. >>>> And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :) >>>> >>>> Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. > ;)) >>>> And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for > the night and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o) >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> Daniel >>>> --- >>>> Daniel Kerr >>>> MacWizardry >>>> >>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>> Email: >>>> Web: >>>> >>>> >>>> **For everything Apple** >>>> >>>> On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or > Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15" Retina > Display MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor > power, the fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the > still long battery life given the retina display seem more reminiscent > of a server than a thin light laptop. Also the discrete graphics card, > apart from being a must for gamers (which I am not) will provide a > bank of GPU processing power that is being utilized by more and more > apps. >>>>> >>>>> I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it > is the best computer that Apple has ever produced. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Carlo >>>>> >>>>> PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy > pieces of foil coated plastic known as DVDs. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Blitto >>>>>> >>>>>> The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help >>>>>> >>>>>> > http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pedro >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook > pros - >>>>>>> please do you have an opinion as to which one you would > purchase?And >>>>>>> why?tablitto >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>> Archives - >>>>>>> Guidelines - >>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>> Archives - >>>>>> Guidelines - >>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>> Archives - >>>>> Guidelines - >>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>> >>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>> Archives - >>>> Guidelines - >>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>> >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>> Archives - >>> Guidelines - >>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - >> Guidelines - >> Settings & Unsubscribe - > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - > Guidelines - > Settings & Unsubscribe - > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - > Guidelines - > Settings & Unsubscribe - -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - Guidelines - Settings & Unsubscribe - -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
