Hi Ronni Yes, knew you wouldn't be a very happy vegemite. (Could double tell seeing as you posted the same link from my message as well :oP) LOL. (Sorry, couldn't resist,…must be that lack of sleep from storms and no food or coffee) :oP I think there are quite a few "let down" MacBook Pro 17" owners, who are having to look at the 15" MBP-RD. Or a 15" with an external screen,…which doesn't always work for every environment. One of my clients only works with her laptop on the kitchen table then puts it away when people come over. So looking at a 15" with external screen isn't really an option as it's too much to lug around to put it away. So a downgrade from 17" to 15" isn't her most favourite option either.
And not many places have the just superseded 17" left in Perth. (Wholesalers didn't, Joondalup didn't, MaxStyle didn't,..bar the previous model ex demo). Stocks were pretty much out before it was discontinued,…) So yeh,..can understand where you're coming from. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> **For everything Apple** On 14/06/2012, at 10:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > I am so disappointed that Apple are discontinuing the 17" MacBook Pro. I have > been waiting for an upgrade to be announced. > Dropping support for their top of the range, two highest professional > Computers, the Mac Pro & 17" MacBook Pro. Purely because they don't sell as > many as other models! > > Apple are now catering for the multi media, social media customers, not the > professional users. > I have always updated every one of laptops; 17" PowerBook, 17" MacBook Pro to > latest models when released. Now Apple want to force me to use a 15" MacBook > Pro... When I want the extra size screen ... A 17" screen! > > Ronni is NOT a Happy Little Vegemite :( > > Some interesting reviews at AnandTech. > > MacBook Pro Retina Display Analysis > > <http://www.anandtech.com/show/5998/macbook-pro-retina-display-analysis> > > Windows 8 on the Retina Display MacBook Pro > <http://www.anandtech.com/show/6008/windows-8-on-the-retina-display-macbook-pro> > > Hard to say, Cheers Ronni > > Sent from Ronni's iPad > > On 13/06/2012, at 9:52 PM, Daniel Kerr <wa...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote: > >> Hi Carlo >> >> Though I agree with you on the screen, and I'm not arguing that point that >> it's a great machine,.. (not matter how many times you quote that comment) >> :oP my "concern" (and I use that term lightly,..more of a query >> perhaps),..is how the screen will handle "upsizing" or scaling or whatever >> it's called of non Retina written software. >> >> The last three paragraphs of this article are a bit of what I'm thinking… >> <http://www.extremetech.com/computing/130819-analyzing-the-macbook-pro-with-retina-display/2> >> >> Because I know what "doubling" on the iPad is like for non native Apps. It >> can look chunky and clunky and "messy". Also, how small does everything when >> it's running at "really big resolution". >> I work with a CTO 15" Antiglare HiRes Screen as it is with my MacBookPro and >> yes, I enjoy the extra space that it gives when compared to the "normal" non >> HiRes screen, but at what point does the font size become too small that >> it's difficult to read. >> And with the upscaling of non "Retina-aware" applications what do the fonts >> and text look like,..or will look like. I know it will be fine for the Apple >> Apps as they have been re-written to work with it. But other apps (such as >> Filemaker), which (I think) isn't written for it (haven't played with >> version 12, so can't comment fully), but those sort of things are ones that >> just interest me to see how it does it. That's just one of the "issues" I'm >> still not up with. >> >> Sorry, I'm probably not explaining this very well. >> I think this page sort of helps what I'm trying to explain. Where they show >> Google Chrome working against Safari on a MBP-RD >> <http://www.anandtech.com/show/5998/macbook-pro-retina-display-analysis> >> (About half way down the page under "Application Support for Retina Display". >> I don't actually use Google Chrome myself, I use Safari, but I'm just using >> this as an example. >> >> I know I probably won't get an idea on this, until I've seen one of the >> laptops in the "flesh" and have a play with it to see how it handles it all. >> And then see how it compares with the standard range. >> (Of which if I did go for the standard MacBookPro, then I'd still get the >> CTO option of the Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen - as it's only $120. As that >> runs at a native resolution of 1680 x 1050 versus 1440x900 for the normal >> screen). >> >> And yes, like you, the old "it's a brand new model, before of version1.0 >> things is always a bit of a concern too. I'm sure Apple test that thing to >> all it's limits, but sometimes just waiting to the second revision of a >> product lets them "iron out" any other "bugs" (or features depending how you >> look at it,…lol) once it's released into the wild. :o) >> It was like that with the PowerBook G4. The last PowerBook G4 (1.67GHz) they >> released was the best well built feature set laptop they made (at the time). >> Because by that time they had ironed out everything that was missing and >> improved on to get it perfect. :) (I suppose a bit like OSX 10.0 compared >> with others really,…lol). >> >> Anyway,..I'm rambling again. I don't think I can really decide/comment much >> further until there are some *real* real world tests, or I've actually had >> time to see or play with it to see what it's really like. (And it may be one >> of those things. Once you see it and get your hands on it, you decide any of >> the "issues" really aren't "issues".) Either that or I'll stay with the >> "standard looking" MacBookPro for this year, til the next update comes >> out,….lol :o) >> Hopefully they'll have one in the AppleStore in town to look at when I go in >> to get my wifes dead iPhone looked at. It's just dead. Nothing will revive >> it. Bit strange for an 18mth old iPhone 4. >> >> Enjoy! >> >> Kind regards >> Daniel >> --- >> Daniel Kerr >> MacWizardry >> >> Phone: 0414 795 960 >> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> >> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >> >> >> **For everything Apple** >> >> On 13/06/2012, at 11:19 AM, cm wrote: >> >>> Hi Daniel, >>> >>> With all that you said I still see no advantage in the old model. Whatever >>> you need to do, the new model will do it (only quicker). The new Retina MBP >>> is truly a technical marvel. To quote again "it is the best computer Apple >>> has ever produced". >>> >>> Just the display is worth the price of entry. :-) >>> >>> Some caveats. Because it is so new, I would probably wait a month or so to >>> see if there are any problems with the graphics card or the circuitry to >>> iron out. Highly unlikely with Apple's testing and Tim Cook wanting to >>> appear competent but it is still a possibility. It did occur to me also >>> that one may not be able to expand the new MBP as in the case of the >>> MacBook Air but I am not sure that will be the case. For the MacBook Air >>> they have that restriction in place because of the nature of the case -- it >>> give advantages in strength and makes it more watertight. If that were the >>> case with the new Retina MBP I would be tempted to buy the highest spec one >>> I could afford from the get go. True you would not be able to upgrade it, >>> but as a trade off the unit would be stronger -- time will tell on this >>> point. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Carlo >>> >>> >>> On 13/06/2012, at 10:39 , Daniel Kerr wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Carlo >>>> >>>> Yes, had all those points. >>>> Just to add to yours those. I don't "really" have to lose the Optical >>>> drive if I fit an SSD drive. I already have an SSD drive in this laptop. >>>> (I removed my 750GB 7200rpm drive and put in a Series6 SSD 256GB Drive. So >>>> I still get to keep my Optical drive and have the speed performance of the >>>> SSD. So I could do the same with the new one. Just swap over the drive.) I >>>> then get both SSD and Optical still :o) >>>> Yes, do have to carry run lots of cables. I was doing all that before >>>> anyway. Plus I always have in my pocket a Firewire800/400 adapter. It just >>>> clips to the end of a FW400 cable. So even if I have no cables, I still >>>> have the adapter. Plus it's lighter. Mind you my pocket carries 2 flash >>>> drives, that adapter and a pocket knife,…lol. >>>> And I already carry three external drives as well (2 Firewire/USB >>>> multiport drives and 1 USB bootable drive). They have a stack of what I >>>> need on them. So I can keep my SSD pretty lean anyway. I actually only run >>>> on about 100GB at most on the SSD. So plenty of room to work with. :o) >>>> I think the ports work out about the same kinda. Cause if you had the >>>> MBP-RD and needed to be on Ethernet, using Firewire then you're out of >>>> pots on the MBP-RD but you still have the Thunderbolt free on the >>>> "standard" MBP. :o) >>>> >>>> The top MBP and entry level MBP-RD work out the same price (RRP $2499), so >>>> I was basing it on that. But yes, as you add more RAM and drives versus >>>> adapters, then the pricing changes quite a bit. So the old MBP would work >>>> out more expensive. >>>> >>>> But yes, there are lots of good reasons for both. It just comes down to >>>> what the person wants to do with it. >>>> It's a bit like the argument to go with a 256GB SSD versus the 500GB SSD. >>>> (Or flash drive). Is it with the $600 odd on various machines. Or can you >>>> lean out what you store on the machine and keep an external USB drive with >>>> you. (Or at home). Some will see the value that extra storage space will >>>> be to have it internally and $600 will be fine. Others will take the 256GB >>>> SSD and buy a 500GB USB drive (which is about $100-$150 depending on >>>> brands etc). It's perception of value versus useful versus budget. >>>> >>>> That was another thing with the new MBP-RD. You can't "add" to it if you >>>> have. Budget restrictions mean you can buy a standard MBP and then down >>>> the track add in more RAM later (take it from 8GB to 16GB) and as pricing >>>> comes down take out the normal drive and add in an SSD of your choice at a >>>> later date. I could be wrong, but I think you have to make all those >>>> choices with the MBP-RD at the start as you can't modify it later on. I >>>> haven't looked at that point with detail, so as mentioned could be wrong, >>>> but was just something i had thought of last night after my other >>>> post,..lol. >>>> >>>> Still though, I'm still un-decided on both,…lol. :o) I think they're both >>>> great machines, I can just see some of the advantages/disadvatages to both >>>> :o) And that may be the same for other people looking at both machines as >>>> well. >>>> Some will suit one person, some will suit others. That's the nature of the >>>> beast. >>>> But hey, if we had little choice and only had one, there would still be >>>> lots to decide! lol ;)) >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> Daniel >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Daniel Kerr >>>> MacWizardry >>>> >>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> >>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>>> >>>> >>>> **For everything Apple** >>>> >>>> On 12/06/2012, at 11:57 PM, cm wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Daniel, >>>>> >>>>> The rarefied field of the computer service person is not for everyone. I >>>>> also operate in the field and have a kit of accessories that I bring >>>>> along, but I would point out that the older MBP is not that far ahead >>>>> even for this purpose. The kit of accessories for either MBP still >>>>> requires that you bring an assortment of cables, thumb-drive, and one or >>>>> more external hard-drives. >>>>> >>>>> Here are some points to note. >>>>> >>>>> * If weight is your concern the Retina MBP starts out life a full half a >>>>> kilo (one pound imperial) lighter than the older MBP! >>>>> * The old MBP does not have that many extra ports. It has one fewer >>>>> thunderbolt port and it lacks the HDMI port of the Retina MBP. The only >>>>> extra ports are Firewire 800 and ethernet. These are available to the >>>>> Retina MBP via thunderbolt adaptors. >>>>> * A big advantage of flash drives over mechanical ones is that they are >>>>> physically more robust and thus less prone to damage by rough handling or >>>>> dropping. >>>>> * Flash drives are, of course, much faster and boot up more quickly. >>>>> * If, as you suggest, you fit an SSD drive in an old style MBP then you >>>>> lose the optical drive. >>>>> * Even with the Firewire 800 port you still have to remember to bring >>>>> along the two styles of firewire cable if you want to be prepared for all >>>>> contingencies. >>>>> >>>>> The only real inarguable advantage of the old style MBP is that they are >>>>> cheaper, but as the price of flash drives come down that advantage will >>>>> likely evaporate too. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Carlo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 23:00 , Daniel Kerr wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It comes down to your needs I feel. As Carlo's mentioned there are good >>>>>> and bad to both of them. Again, it depends on your "primary" usage. And >>>>>> what you don't mind "losing" to "gain". >>>>>> Both the 15" MacBook Pro and the 15" MacBook Pro Retina Display (MBP-RD) >>>>>> actually have the same Graphics card pretty much. (I'm comparing both >>>>>> $2499 models). >>>>>> They both use the Intel HD Graphics 4000 and NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with >>>>>> 1GB of GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching. So that part is >>>>>> the same on both models. >>>>>> And I would think the "standard" MacBook Pro 15" will still go to 16GB >>>>>> RAM as well. >>>>>> (I'm working on an early 2011 MacBook Pro 15" that Apple say can go to >>>>>> 8GB RAM,..and I'm running it with 16GB PC10600 1333MHz RAM. And it runs >>>>>> fine.) So I'd say people will find that can be bumped up as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> The "Standard" MacBook Pro has a slightly faster processor at 2.6GHz >>>>>> versus 2.3GHz. But how much of a difference this is in real world >>>>>> speeds, would depend on the task. >>>>>> Certainly out of the box, I'd say the MBP-RD which has the Flash Storage >>>>>> built in would make data access a lot faster. Whereas it would cost $480 >>>>>> to add a 256MB SSD drive to the "standard" MacBookPro. So data access >>>>>> would be a win there. (And I'm not to sure how much of a difference >>>>>> Flash Storage versus SSD in "real world tests" accounts for…that and my >>>>>> brain is in almost sleep mode to go look it up,…lol). >>>>>> >>>>>> And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For some >>>>>> people that are moving around a lot, and depending on the field they're >>>>>> in, they still want "quick access" to things like Firewire, Ethernet, >>>>>> Optical Drive. (yes, I know this doesn't affect everyone and it comes >>>>>> down to their "use of the laptop", and that you can hang off adapters of >>>>>> the MBP-RD, but at the end of the day, it's ease of use and quick >>>>>> access. Do you want to carry around a Thunderbolt to Firewire800 >>>>>> adapter, a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter, a Thunderbolt Optical Drive. >>>>>> Sure, not everyone has use for these things. But again, in some >>>>>> circumstances some people do. On the read of various forums a lot of >>>>>> mobile editors and tech support people do still want these things. They >>>>>> (we?) carry enough stuff around in our bag without adding to it. And if >>>>>> you leave it behind or it "drops off" during a transfer, you've wasted >>>>>> time. (And time is money as they say,…lol). "Oh sorry, I can't access >>>>>> your Firewire drive today, I left my Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter >>>>>> with my last client. I'll have to come back"). Again, this won't affect >>>>>> everyone,….I'll just trying to point out both sides of the coin. >>>>>> >>>>>> I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I know >>>>>> I've looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to sit down >>>>>> and weigh up the pros and cons of both. And what is it exactly I want >>>>>> out of the laptop. What features are the "must have" and what features >>>>>> are the "can work around or live with". Is the Retina Display going to >>>>>> be "huge" in the type of work I do, versus the (sometimes) need for >>>>>> "legacy items" in the type of work I do. (How much more weight can my >>>>>> back support in all the extras I have to or need to carry around,…lol). >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new >>>>>> MBP-RD looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from there >>>>>> I'm sure. But it's what tool is the best for the job….. >>>>>> And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;)) >>>>>> And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the >>>>>> night and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o) >>>>>> >>>>>> Enjoy! >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> Daniel >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Daniel Kerr >>>>>> MacWizardry >>>>>> >>>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> >>>>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **For everything Apple** >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or >>>>>>> Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15" Retina Display >>>>>>> MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor power, the >>>>>>> fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the still long >>>>>>> battery life given the retina display seem more reminiscent of a server >>>>>>> than a thin light laptop. Also the discrete graphics card, apart from >>>>>>> being a must for gamers (which I am not) will provide a bank of GPU >>>>>>> processing power that is being utilized by more and more apps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is the >>>>>>> best computer that Apple has ever produced. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Carlo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy pieces >>>>>>> of foil coated plastic known as DVDs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro <pfow...@iinet.net.au> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Blitto >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pedro >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook pros - >>>>>>>>> please do you have an opinion as to which one you would purchase?And >>>>>>>>> why?tablitto >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>> >>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>> >>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>> >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
