Hi Ronni,

Thanks very much for that ­ it may take me a little while to process it all.

Option click on Wireless Menu for me does not show Noise (presumably because
i¹m still on 10.6.8) but with your tip, I can now find it in System
Profiler.


Looking at your figures you obviously have a better network connection than
me ­ but maybe less intervening internal brick walls than my 120 yr old
Albany cottage  ;o)

Also, from the comparison, I take it that for the MSC Index that higher
numbers are better?


At the moment, I am back to my old modem/network setup ­ whilst I get a UPS
to cover my new modem and phone ­ but then, when I get a chance, I will take
the laptop around a few different spots and compare the figure on each
nettwork to get an idea how the walls attenuate the signals.


Cheers



Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com





on 9/2/17 13:33, Ronni Brown at ro...@mac.com wrote:

> Hi Neil,
> 
> I wasn¹t going to attempt a reply as it involves a fairly complex reply. Not
> knowing what Modem or how it displays its settings/readings. I mainly deal
> with Apple Wi-Fi Networks this might helpful explanation to youŠ or not ;-)
> ---
> RSSI (Receive Signal Strength Indication), is the relative signal strength in
> a wireless environment in arbitrary units.
> RSSI or received signal strength indication can go from 0 to -100 (for Apple -
> other vendors can measure it differently as RSSI has no stated units)
> 
> Apple appears to have decided to use a less negative number (closer to zero)
> to mean a stronger signal.
> 
> Signal-to-Noise Ratio (SNR)
> 
> One option in determining where to best place your AirPort base station is to
> measure its signal quality from a wireless client. In theory, where the signal
> quality is best would make for ideal candidates for placement. This would hold
> true for a single or multiple base stations in an extended wireless network.
>  
> 
> One method to calculate signal quality is to compute the Signal-to-Noise Ratio
> (SNR). 
> SNR is the signal level (in dBm) minus the noise level (in dBm). Both of these
> values are typically represented as negative numbers. For example, a signal
> level of -53dBm and a noise value of -90dBm would yield an SNR of 37dB (i.e.,
> SNR = Signal - Noise = -53 -(-90) = 37)
>  
> 
> The calculated SNR value, as measured from a wireless client, would decrease
> as the range to the base station increases due to applicable free space loss.
> Also an increase in RF interference from microwave ovens, cordless phones,
> walls, ceilings, etc, which would increase the noise level, would also
> decrease the overall SNR value.
>  
> 
> SNR Guideline
> * 40+dB = Excellent signal
> * 25dB to 40dB = Very good signal
> * 15dB to 25dB = Low signal
> * 10dB to 15dB = Very low signal
> * 5dB to 10dB = Little or no signal
>  
> 
> The following are two methods to take signal & noise level readings:
>  
> 
> Method 1 - Using iStumbler
> Download and install a copy of iStumbler <http://istumbler.net/> . Use
> iStumbler's Inspector feature (select Edit > Inspector from the iStumbler's
> menu) to take the signal and noise level readings.
>  
> 
> Method 2 - Using OS X System Profiler / System Report
> Click on the Apple icon on the menu bar > About This Mac > More Info >System
> Report > Network > Wi-Fi - Interfaces >  > Current Network Information > Find
> your wireless network > Signal / Noise
> 
> Jot down the numbers that you see here, for example
>  
> -50 dBm / -90 dBm
>  
> SNR = Signal minus Noise, so using the example below:
>  
> -50 dBm - (-90 dBm) = 40 dB SNR
> 
> Regardless of which method you use to gather the reading, you would plug them
> into the SNR formula. The desired goal value is an SNR of 25+dB. At this SNR
> value, wireless clients should be getting reasonable throughput performance
> with the base station. This is also the value you would want at the location
> where you would want to place a second base station to extend the first if you
> are planning on extending the wireless range.
> 
>  
> Then use the familiar chart to evaluate your signal quality.
>  
> € 40dB+ SNR  =            Excellent signal
> € 25dB to 40dB SNR = Very good signal
> € 15dB to 25dB SNR = Low signal
> € 10dB to 15dB SNR = Very low signal
> € 5dB to 10dB SNR =   No signal
> 
> As you might imagine, the SNR will change in relation to the location of your
> Mac laptop to the router
> 
> If you are getting SNR values of less than 25+dB at the client, either try to
> locate the source of the Wi-Fi interference or try relocating the base station
> until they are within a 25+dB range.
> ‹
> My Airport ¹Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi 5GHz /2.5GHz¹ Network.
> Option click on Wireless Menu shows my 5GHz RSSI: -55 dBM Noise: -95 dBM Tx
> Rate: 300 Mbps  MSC Index: 15
> 
> € Transmit Rate: This is the max network speed available with the current
> signal strength. The data rate is measured in Mbps.
> € MCS Index: Short for Modulation and Coding Scheme, MCS is only associated
> with 802.11n networks.
> 
> Hope this makes sense to you and helps to answer your questions some what.
> 
> Regards,
> Ronni
>  
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS Sierra 10.12.3
> 
>> On 8 Feb 2017, at 3:11 pm, Neil Houghton <n...@possumology.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As a result of changing internet plan, I scored a new modem. It creates 2
>> wireless networks - one on 2.4GHz and one on 5GHz.
>> 
>> 
>> Both appear to work just fine so I used the option click on the wireless
>> menu-bar icon to see what differences were apparent. Report as follows:
>> 
>> 2.4GHz network:
>> RSSI: -68
>> Transmit rate: 117
>> MCS Index: 14
>> 
>> 
>> 5GHz network:
>> RSSI: -70
>> Transmit rate: 162
>> MCS Index: 12
>> 
>> 
>> I'm not sure what that all means  ;o)
>> 
>> I understand transmit rate - which would seem to suggest that the 5GHZ at
>> 162 is performing slightly better than the 2.4GHz at 117 ??
>> 
>> 
>> Are the other figure significant?
>> Are there other factors to consider when choosing which network to use?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Neil

-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml>
Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml>
Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>