Hi Guys, Been following this with some interest but now I¹m a bit confused ;o)
If the file size limit on FAT32 is 4GB, why is Stephen having problems with a file that is a bit bigger than 2GB? Is there some sort of issue with files over 2GB (but under 4GB) on FAT32? If not - then Stephens problem with a 2.3GB video file would seem to be due to something other than file size limit? Forgive me if I¹m missing something obvious ;o) Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 1/12/17 5:31, Ronda Brown at ro...@mac.com wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Just adding my chart on formats & size limits. > FAT32 (File Allocation Table) > * Read/Write FAT32 from both native Windows and native Mac OS X. > * Maximum file size: 4GB. > * Maximum volume size: 2TB > exFAT (FAT64) > * Supported in Mac OS X only in 10.6.5 or later. > * exFAT partitions created with OS X 10.6.5 are inaccessible from Windows 7 > * Not all Windows versions support exFAT. See disadvantages > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exfat#Disadvantages> . > * exFAT (Extended File Allocation Table) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT> > * Maximum file size: 16 EiB > * Maximum volume size: 64 ZiB > NTFS (Windows NT File System) > * Read/Write NTFS from native Windows. > * Read only NTFS from native Mac OS X > * To Read/Write/Format NTFS from Mac OS X: Install NTFS-3G for Mac OS X > <http://macntfs-3g.blogspot.com/2010/10/ntfs-3g-for-mac-os-x-2010102.html> > (free) > * Some have reported problems using Tuxera > <http://www.tuxera.com/products/tuxera-ntfs-for-mac/> (approx 33USD). > * Native NTFS support can be enabled in Snow Leopard, but is not advisable, > due to instability. > * Maximum file size: 16 TB > * Maximum volume size: 256TB > HFS+ (Hierarchical File System, a.k.a. Mac OS Extended) > * Read/Write HFS+ from native Mac OS X > * Required for Time Machine > <http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/time-machine.html> or Carbon Copy > Cloner <http://www.bombich.com/> backups of Mac internal hard drive. > * To Read/Write HFS+ from Windows, Install MacDrive > <http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive/> > * To Read HFS+ (but not Write) from Windows, Install HFSExplorer > <http://hem.bredband.net/catacombae/hfsx.html> > * Maximum file size: 8EiB > * Maximum volume size: 8EiB > Cheers, > Ronni > > Ronni Brown¹s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB > > > > On 30 Nov 2017, at 10:54 pm, Daniel Kerr <wa...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote: > >> Are yes,sorry, my bad. Forgot you¹d said it was over 2GB. (Sorry I got >> sidetracked on talking about the Trash,lol) - I may have misread the email >> in passing. Ooops..sorry. Too long a day (week),lol. >> If ti¹s going to a Windoze user and they have a fairly recent Windows system >> then you should be ok with exFAT in that case. >> >> The other way to do it if you have something like Dropbox or OneDrive or >> similar, would be to put it in there (as long as you have more then 4GB >> storage space) and then email them a link for them to download it from. I >> use that when moving files too big to email. :) >> Or similar ways like that too. But yes exFAT should be fine. >> >> Kind regards >> Daniel >> >> Sent from my iPhone 7 >> >> --- >> Daniel Kerr >> MacWizardry >> >> Phone: 0414 795 960 >> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au <http://macwizardry.com.au> > >> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >> >> >> **For everything Apple** >> >> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and >> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. >> Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or >> accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this >> email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the >> author be requested. >> >> >>> On 30 Nov 2017, at 10:45 pm, Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Daniel. >>> Thank you for your extensive information. >>> >>> It seems that the issue with MS-DOS (Fat 32) is that it cannot store files >>> above 2GB in size. >>> The video file I wanted to store is 2.3GB. >>> >>> Perhaps Mac OS Journaled does not have this restriction ? >>> But that is an issue if it is to be used by a Windoze user. >>> >>>> On 30 Nov 2017, at 10:07 pm, Daniel Kerr <wa...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Stephen and all,. >>>> >>>> Just a few other things that can affect this as well. >>>> I¹ll try explain it as best as possible. >>>> >>>> With a Thumb Drive, if you have any items on it, and these get put into the >>>> ³Trash², they will stay there. Unless the Trash is ³emptied² then although >>>> the Thumb Drive ³appears empty² the items will still take up space as >>>> they¹re sitting in the drive. >>>> A USB stick has it¹s own ³Trash². And your User account (it when you have >>>> the computer on), also has it¹s ³own² Trash. >>>> Though they can appear to be ³one and the same² they are actually >>>> different. >>>> >>>> To try and explain this another way. >>>> Let say you have nothing plugged in to your computer. You start the >>>> computer up and are just using it ³as normal² (i.e. no external hard drives >>>> or USB drives plugged in). If you go and empty the Trash, you¹ll get the >>>> ³changed icon² of the Trash. (i.e. it will go from being a Full Trash icon >>>> to an Empty Trash icon). If you double click it to view the Trash, it will >>>> be empty. >>>> Now, if you plug in a USB drive or external drive. If it has anything still >>>> sitting in the Trash, the Trash can icon will ³magically² appear to be full >>>> again. And if you view the contents, you¹ll see things in there. These >>>> items would belong to the Trash. >>>> (you can also do this experiment by emptying the computer Trash. Then if >>>> you have a folder on the drive, (or create an empty folder) then drag it to >>>> the Trash. The trash icon will appear to be ³full². But once you eject the >>>> Hard Drive/USB drive, the Trash can will be empty again. Once you plug the >>>> drive back in, the Trash can will fill up again. (as it¹s showing items on >>>> the external drive). >>>> >>>> I always try and keep my Trash can empty. That way when I plug things in, I >>>> know if they have anything to ³check² or are completely free of space, as >>>> the Trash will also be empty. It¹s a bit easy to trash where things are >>>> ³Stored² as to what trash is there as well. (and then knowing that each >>>> drive is completely free when I plug it in). >>>> >>>> I¹ve seen this happen before, where a USB stick will ³appear² to be empty, >>>> but because the Trash can is ³full² from things on the computer, as well as >>>> things on the external drive, you can¹t tell the difference. So don¹t >>>> realise the USB drive isn¹t actually ³empty². >>>> >>>> Re the formatting of it. For the ³best fit² for most computers >>>> MS-DOS(FAT32) is the better one to use. ExFat is meant to be a new (better) >>>> format, but on some machines they still may not recognise it. So to get the >>>> ³best for everything² I¹d say go with the MSDOS(FAT32). >>>> >>>> Hope that information helps people. (It¹s a bit confusing, so hopefully it >>>> makes sense,hehe). >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> Daniel >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Daniel Kerr >>>> MacWizardry >>>> >>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au <http://macwizardry.com.au> > >>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>>> >>>> >>>> **For everything Apple** >>>> >>>> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and >>>> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of >>>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of >>>> warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any >>>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, >>>> that permission by the author be requested. >>>> >>>>> On 30 Nov 2017, at 9:48 pm, Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Rob. >>>>> Just tried thumb drive 16GB again. >>>>> Does appear in Finder Sidebar. >>>>> Also now appears in Disk Utility (must have a mind of its own - now you >>>>> see me, now you don¹t) >>>>> >>>>> Formatted in MS-DOS(Fat 32) >>>>> >>>>> Other options are: >>>>> Mac OS Ext Journaled >>>>> Mac OS Ext Case sensitive Journaled >>>>> ExFat >>>>> >>>>> Which do you suggest for use on both Mac and Windows ? >>>>> >>>>>> On 30 Nov 2017, at 8:49 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Strange. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just inserted one and it came up in disk utility. >>>>>> Another one didn't come up immediately, but did ask if I wanted to erase >>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does the thumb drive appear in the finder? >>>>>> >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30/11/17 6:45 pm, Stephen Chape wrote: >>>>>>> Thank you Rob. >>>>>>> Do you know how to format a thumb drive ? >>>>>>> It does not show up in Disk Utility. >>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2017, at 6:38 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote: Hi Stephen I've experienced this a few years ago. As I recall.... The drives are probably formatted with one of the old Windows formats - can't remember the name... FAT? On these drives the size limit of a single file is around 2GB If you format the drive with a modern Windows format, it will copy OK. Or in a Mac format - but then you can't share with everyone... Cheers Rob On 30/11/17 6:03 pm, Stephen Chape wrote: Hi folks. Today a friend asked me to copy an MOV file onto a thumb drive for him. The file is 2.23GB. It will not copy to a 8GB or a 16GB or a 32GB thumb drive because ³it is too large for the drives². I have since burnt onto a DVD for him instead. But I cannot understand what happened. Any ideas please folks ? Regards, Stephen Chape
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