[wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case

[John Nichel]

Front end web / server side scripting, yes...Java doesn't have much use, with advancements in languages like php which were created with the web in mind. I wouldn't be suprised to see jsp go the way of the Dodo. When we converted our site from an in-house legacy scripting language (written in C), jsp and php were our final two contenders. We chose php in the end for a couple of reasons...can handle pretty much anything jsp does, easier for a bunch of C / Perl programmers to learn, scalability, cost, and other items. However, Java is our whole back end...the order processing system, system tools, etc. Java works flawlessly in this aspect.

If you're talking about Java Apps such as Windows programs, that's debatable. Those type of apps run well and fast in the *nix world, but in the Win world they seem to be prone to crashes and are slow. Knowing M$'s tactics, and their feeling about Java, I would hesitate in placing the blame for this solely in Sun's corner.

If you're talking about back end apps, then you couldn't be any further from the truth. Java is pretty much the language of choice for places that have to deal with intensive data processing / manuplation.

Pointing out mobile phones only stresses the strength of Java, that it can run almost anywhere, on anything. Of course, I haven't taken my Atari 800XL out of the closet to see if Java will run on it. :)

Ben Joyce wrote:

Java seems dead in the water as far as web (it's an overkill) and
application (it's too slow) are concerned.  However, should expect Java
applications and games on mobile phones to do rather well.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Nichel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 December 2002 16:56
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Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Sun Gets Injunction in Microsoft Case


Well, most of his points are valid...just his method of delivery is a bit off. I noticed a couple of people on this list talking about how Java was dead, or how it was useless. Those people are either mis-informed, or M$ sheep. While I will agree that Java has no place on HTLM pages (to make snazzy (is that a word) menus, or fancy slide shows for images), Java is far from dead. I think that most of the people on this list just never really work with middle tier or back end applications to actually experience the power of Java.

This thread could go on and on with people flaming about how Java is better than .NET, or how .NET is better than Java (I've never used .NET, so I can't make an educated comparrison), but where would that get us? Water off a ducks back.

Stephen Caudill wrote:

Ross, No fault on your part, Peter only pops up once or twice a

month to

start flame wars and brag profusely about skills we mortals

can't conceive...

<flame type="non-contributor bashing">
You know, I have never seen a URL in one of his sigs or any other supporting evidence that he actually does anything but

spout acronyms

and buzz words, most often with poor grammar. If I am

wrong on this,

I will happily eat my hat. Otherwise, I would prefer to hear a lot less from Mr. Kinev unless he decides to be helpful and

contribute to

this community. </flame>

/me feels better having said that

Apologies,
Stephen Caudill
http://neohero.municode.com

Peter:

Whoa there!!

Never meant to get anybody's back up, it's just that in my
experience I've
never seen or needed to touch Java and as a result never bothered to dig too
deep.

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