Not Jon, but just in case you are anxiously awaiting a reply:

If you use the @import rule to import your style sheets because various
browsers have differing levels of support for it, it can be used to hide
styles from "non-compliant" browsers in lieu of using java script sniffing
and serving separate style sheets.

@import url(styles/mystylesheet.css) ; will block NN4.x, I.E.3.x (Windows),
iCab 2.51 (Mac), Konqueror 2.12 and Amaya 5.1 (Windows).

NB some versions of NN will crash when 'seeing' an @import rule, I have got
a table somewhere of browser support for the @import rule: if anyone is
interested shout and I will post it (when I find it, lol)

hth
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Joyce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:22 AM
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: vertical spacing


> > > > > http://www.odihpn.org/revamp/index.htm
> > > > > I can't for the life of me to get the top row on this page
> > > > > smaller unless I take out the drop down menu. Can anyone help?
> > > >
> > > > Try setting the margins of the forms inside that row to 0px: <form
> > > > style="margin: 0px"> instead of <form>.
> > >
> > > Ah, yes, that works, perfectomundo!
> >
> > Watch out for Netscape 4 though ;-)
>
> ...as always :(
>
> > > Ahh but as always there is a catch... Netscape 4.72. It
> > looks... well,
> > > shall I say, less than beautiful??
> > > Should I just forget about it?
> >
> > Depends.... what percentage of your site's visitors are using
> > it? Do you mind giving a messier version of the site to these
> > visitors?
> >
> > These days I hide all styles from Netscape, and my sanity
> > level has risen considerably since I started doing it - then
> > again, I don't use tables for layout any more either, so
> > Netscape users still get a logical (albeit plain) layout.
>
> Jon, do you mind if I ask what you mean by "hide all styles from
> Netscape" ?? do you mean you don't reference any CSS if you're
> displaying in NS4.x?
>
> Also, I'm still using tables for layout and I don't really have any
> issues.  I presume you're using CSS and absolute-positioning?  is this
> commonplace now?
>
> > If validation doesn't matter to you, you may be able to move
> > the <form> outside the table:
> >
> > <form>
> >   <table>
> >     <tr>
> >       <td>
> >         This input box should have no padding:
> >         <input name="foo">
> >       </td>
> >     </tr>
> >   </table>
> > </form>
>
> In cases like this I tuck the <form> tag between the <table> and <tr>,
> or <tr> and <td>.  Usually works.
>
>  .ben
>
>
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