I agree that we should keep the name... It really difficult to explain that it the same thing if the name change...
Richard On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Paolo Valleri <paolo.vall...@gmail.com> wrote: > Maintaining web2py is not easy at all, how/who will maintain two > web2py/web3py? I see this as the major issue > The old discussions were about the whole web2py, now there is pydal > already working on python 3.x. > > Having a roadmap is a good way to proceed and surely github wiki is the > place where document it. > Two things to discuss: > - will be backward compatibility? > - will be a new project (web3py), or not(web2py)? > Today, I'd say, yes to first, no to the second, but we should start > working on the porting and see later what will happen > > The first step of the roadmap is writing the roadmap :0 > The second making web2py "syntactically" compatible with python 3.x > Who want to start? > > Paolo > > 2015-11-17 2:53 GMT+01:00 Richard Vézina <ml.richard.vez...@gmail.com>: > >> Here it goes : >> >> List of relevant posts : >> >> Most relevant: >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/X80Ol0Uumrg/vGrGtaeOVZwJ >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/mlG6-yHPa4g/MFAU9zX3jo4J >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/WJOWlTnoz5I/y0-dQTywoHwJ >> >> >> The whole thread: >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/web2py/hAiMQ1gLUo8 >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/web2py/291FhcxGvYc >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/web2py/web3py/web2py/lwdZ5vEMGdM >> >> Stackoverflow >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22684906/web2py-and-python-3 >> >> Funny: >> https://www.quora.com/How-does-web2py-support-Python-3 >> https://www.quora.com/profile/Wei-Wei-1/Posts/10-reasons-not-to-use-web2py >> >> Old >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/web2py/U1Ukbfhmais >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/xXDjA47a6nc/ZrMi5XXHUpgJ >> >> web2py-dev >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/web2py-developers/jXFLnyfkL2U/GQ0qHENepHEJ >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py-developers/CFj5dH3ilew/x0KoevEfufIJ >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py-developers/RCeiRd3Rzs0/vqA_PfmBvHgJ >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py-developers/AEtuwHQgJnc/iKNMImHqoHUJ >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py-developers/9ztv8ecT1Nk/7__jGmreZf8J >> Gluino3 no answer : >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py-developers/ilxA-aMDtLk/OSYp_uoWfVcJ >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/lwdZ5vEMGdM/D6BfYuwOWoUJ >> >> >> I think I can still find some threads but I think the most important one >> are there... >> >> Have a good read... >> >> :) >> >> Richard >> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Jim S <j...@qlf.com> wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-6, Richard wrote: >>>> >>>> I would like to suggest a way to get out of these recurrent >>>> discussions... >>>> >>>> Why not adopt some guidance around the issue... I think the heart of >>>> the problem here is that not knowing what is coming or not make people >>>> insecure about the future of what is built (or could be build) with web2py. >>>> It may be true that no big corporate are not using Python 3 at the moment, >>>> though distros have already started sending the message that Python 3 is >>>> coming... To my knowledge, since 3.4 Python 3 is consider to be ready for >>>> real work... >>>> >>>> So, maybe we could write a section in the book about web2py and Python >>>> 3 support, if the book is not the place we can put a text file in github >>>> somewhere in web2py about that and maybe a TODO-List of what is need to be >>>> done... Or a Roadmap on the web2py Web site... There is plenty of options >>>> to document out this "issue" and what is know about it and what is the >>>> heart of this issue... Also, if web2py will have to break it promise for >>>> backward compatibility or not and if it breaks it what work to expect in >>>> our apps to make them work in "web3py", etc. >>>> >>>> There is many threads on the mailing-lists... A good start could be to >>>> retrieve them and read them to extract the important things?? >>>> >>>> Like that when the question pop again we can redirect people to the >>>> Documentation/Roadmap and they can make a better informed decision about >>>> using web2py or not, waiting for Python 3 support by web2py or not, etc. >>>> >>>> Thanks, regards >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Stuart Rolinson <stu...@eventsense.net >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wanted to add to this discussion as well. I think that developing >>>>> with python 2.7 and web2py has been fine, however I have been really >>>>> concerned as my application gets bigger that we are going to have to >>>>> migrate to a .net or java based solution in the future. The more I >>>>> develop, the more I worry about the amount of re-work I am creating for >>>>> myself in the future. I would feel better about my decision to choose >>>>> web2py if this supported the current version of the product. >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure my Python abilities are good enough yet to be heavily >>>>> involved in a conversion from 2.7 - 3.5, but I would be happy to help >>>>> where >>>>> I can once my current project is implemented. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 12:48:46 PM UTC-7, Paolo Valleri wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to understand what we are talking about, which are the main >>>>>> issues in porting web2py on python 3.x ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Paolo >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 11:24:30 PM UTC+1, Ramos wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> weppy looks like a short webp2y environment, however lacks some good >>>>>>> documentation like web2py and all of the code samples are very short and >>>>>>> errors come often. >>>>>>> Seems that the only one helping is the "creator" itself. >>>>>>> Unfortunately i dont see it as a good alternative to web2py. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At least web2py has a lot of people helping everybody. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2015-11-13 17:49 GMT+00:00 Jim S <j...@qlf.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What are the chances that weppy (www.weppy.org) becomes the Python >>>>>>>> 3 version of web2py? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm working with the newly available, officially supported Python >>>>>>>> implementation on IBM i (formerly AS/400) and it is Python version 3.4 >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> web2py isn't an option for me. Is there any news or direction for >>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> forced to use Python 3? I really don't want to give up my web2py >>>>>>>> knowledge >>>>>>>> and move to another framework. The other big guns (django, flask, >>>>>>>> bottle, >>>>>>>> pyramid) all have Python 3 versions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Jim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 6:41:49 PM UTC-6, Massimo Di >>>>>>>> Pierro wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do not think it is a secret. As far as I know the security >>>>>>>>> pricing infrastructure of Bank of America is based on proprietary >>>>>>>>> object >>>>>>>>> database built in Python and the JP Morgan Chase has been working for >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> time on an internal trading platform based on Python (do not know if >>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>> in use at this time). Also I have consulted with some local trading >>>>>>>>> companies in Chicago that use Python+pytable+numpy+hdf5. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here is a source >>>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/Why-are-banks-like-JP-Morgan-and-Bank-of-America-Merrill-Lynch-using-Python-to-replace-historic-legacy-systems-built-in-Java-C++ >>>>>>>>> but I have my own sources. :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In fact a friend told me Bank of America uses web2py too although >>>>>>>>> not for business critical apps where they use proprietary code, but >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> interfacing some of their Air Conditioning systems. I have been >>>>>>>>> unable to >>>>>>>>> verify this information. I know other banks or large financial >>>>>>>>> institutions >>>>>>>>> that also use web2py for some of internal non-business critical >>>>>>>>> development. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Massimo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 11 November 2015 09:34:41 UTC-6, Ramos wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What banks? can you share that info ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2015-11-11 15:21 GMT+00:00 Massimo Di Pierro < >>>>>>>>>> massimo....@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As of today python 3 is used almost exclusively in schools. Do >>>>>>>>>>> you know of any large company that uses Python 3? I do not. But I >>>>>>>>>>> know many >>>>>>>>>>> large companies that use Python 2, including banks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 9 November 2015 01:36:40 UTC-6, Remco Boerma wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Great one Alex. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> While searching for web2py and python3 the first result i got >>>>>>>>>>>> was this >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/31ai10/web2py_python3/> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi...I m total beginner in python with elastic search also >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unicode ... I am looking for a wonderful framework & was keen on >>>>>>>>>>>>> web2py..but just happened to read that its not compatible with >>>>>>>>>>>>> python 3.. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pl guide me abt this issue & in selecting framework >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards to all, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been asked to start a new internship-company for a project >>>>>>>>>>>> i'm involved in. And I so want to take those boys and girls on the >>>>>>>>>>>> web2py >>>>>>>>>>>> path, but to ask of those new-to-the-market to invest in a legacy >>>>>>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>>>>> (2020 is only 4 years from now) is something that feels odd to me. >>>>>>>>>>>> Especially since i know the power and grace of web2py. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I know the subject has been debated and debated but for the >>>>>>>>>>>> sake of these students (and these are not the high university >>>>>>>>>>>> kind, but >>>>>>>>>>>> rather the ground-work and getting-stuff-done folks) i would >>>>>>>>>>>> kindly ask to >>>>>>>>>>>> take the future into consideration as well as our marketing >>>>>>>>>>>> because web2py >>>>>>>>>>>> is simply droped out of the equation because of py2. I would love >>>>>>>>>>>> to teach >>>>>>>>>>>> those kids web2py and be future proof. Many schools already teach >>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>> from a hundred years ago, let's not do that in IT as well. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank your for considering. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Op vrijdag 6 november 2015 23:57:33 UTC+1 schreef Alex: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> web2py for python 3 would be great. I hope it comes rather >>>>>>>>>>>>> sooner than later. I'd love to use python 3, no more str <-> >>>>>>>>>>>>> unicode >>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense (which already caused many issues and wasted time for >>>>>>>>>>>>> me), type >>>>>>>>>>>>> hints (seems to have good support in PyCharm) and other new >>>>>>>>>>>>> features. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> think the current situation could also scare away potential new >>>>>>>>>>>>> users when >>>>>>>>>>>>> they see that web2py does not support python 3. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> pyDAL seems to be already compatible with python 3. Is it not >>>>>>>>>>>>> possible to make the remaining parts also compatible or are there >>>>>>>>>>>>> completely new concepts planned? I for one would completely >>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the FORM >>>>>>>>>>>>> code - it's nice and easy to get something up and running but >>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to >>>>>>>>>>>>> style (no clear separation of backend/frontend) and extend. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>> knockout (I guess any data binding js lib will do fine) which is >>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>> flexible and easy to understand. That should be the preferred way >>>>>>>>>>>>> to do >>>>>>>>>>>>> forms and recommended in the book. But that's just my opinion. No >>>>>>>>>>>>> more FORM >>>>>>>>>>>>> would mean less code to port to python 3 ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 4:37:56 PM UTC+1, Ramos >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> @massimo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When will it be available ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-11-04 14:38 GMT+00:00 Massimo Di Pierro < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> massimo....@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There will be a new framework similar to web2py for python >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. web2py has to be backward compatible and it is pointless to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port it to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> python 3. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 4 November 2015 06:25:40 UTC-6, Jim Gregory >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know this has come up in the past, but it hasn't been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked in a while. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there ever going to be a usable and maintained >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Python3-compatible fork of web2py? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The latest edition of Fedora now ships with Python3 by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default. It's the default version used in Django's tutorial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using Python3 now, but I can see the day when I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inevitably will. 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