I am glad to hear it. Web Objects is incredible.
Don
On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Daniel Beatty wrote:
Greetings Ken and Don,
I have managed to see to hopeful results. In some cases, it was
presented with reference to Don's tutorials, Chuck's books, and a
lot of researching the issue.
The hope I have seen is the students who got the idea about WO and
D2W in a class where I served as TA. Obviously, there were die
hard MS fans there too. But a few came by after class to learn
more about it and how it could help them solve the DBMS problems
they had for the class. It may just be a handful, but it is a
start. Furthermore, that was only 3 class sessions out of a
typical 48 held during a semester.
I am finishing my dissertation this academic year. WO contributes
a substantial amount of technology to facilitate the prototype's
implementation. Furthermore, WO and D2W are mentioned in print (2
academic circles and upcoming in the process of submission.) It
may not be much, but it does get some people asking how can WO help
them.
Later,
Dan
On Oct 24, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
I suspect if you don't pull together the best technology will die.
I still go back to apple depreciating the tools and dropping WO.
It would be a hell of a lot easier if they at least had it as a
option. They should have you guys go back and bring it up to speed
and then start reselling it again with a good part of the proceeds
going back to you people. Apple is building that big server farm
in NC and
could provide a very attractive solution to many companies. Apple
should probably re-vist the corporate world even if in a small way,
this of course would be one way. It is obvious that the technology
is very sound
thanks to you all and even the ones who are trying to keep WO 4.5
alive. It may be crazy but I think WO should be back in the Cocoa
world and you guys could do that quite easily with the support of
apple. The windows people may not like it but Mac are getting
cheaper :)
thats my take
On Oct 23, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
The problem with this is time... I was thinking of a online book
where you can ask O'Reilly or other publisher to print it and sell
it to give back to writers, like Thinking in Java or the MySQL
manual are. And frankly, based on the number of people who wanted
to attend WOWODC East for the beginner track was so low that's
part of the reason we dropped it (the track). But at the same
time, people say in the surveys that the scarity of developers is
a problem, so it's a chicken-and-egg problem. And also the fact
that's is always the same group of 10-15 persons who give back to
the community, which is, speaking only for myself, a burden.
IMHO
You gurus need to put out a few really in-depth tutorials. Maybe
each could do a little piece. It is hard to sell something like
WO without a good way
for people to get in the loop. You may want to review Joshua'
Marker's book on WO which I thought was the absolute best for
attracting new people to
the technology. After reading this book you could actually build
a functioning WO site. You could easily do this with a few very
good tutorials.
ken
On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:27 AM, John Larson wrote:
I'm kind of goading Chuck on to write a sequel to "Practical
WebObjects." How about "Absurdly Cool WebObjects"?
The Book of Chuck?
WebObjects: Getting Chunky Wid It?
I won't say never, but right now I am having a hard time getting
the time to finish WOVNG.
Chuck
On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
Hi!
On 2009/10/23, at 17:46, John & Kim Larson wrote:
without having the patience to read the manual,
Is there a manual?
Yours
Miguel Arroz
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