Greetings Tim, I tend to agree with you. Since I am out in Southern California doing my long internship, it might be good for us to collaborate more closely. While I have the resources of Texas Tech (as I am a student there), it would be nice to see what I can contribute through UCLA and other institutions in the area. Also, is there a Cocoa Heads or WO group here in Southern California where we can participate and share insight?
I know that the one at Texas Tech, I had to form it. But, I would suspect that there are more WO and Cocoa developers out here in. Later, Daniel Beatty Computer Scientist, Detonation Sciences Branch Code 474300D 2400 E. Pilot Plant Rd. M/S 1109 China Lake, CA 93555 daniel.bea...@navy.mil (760)939-7097 -----Original Message----- From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy....@lists.apple.com [mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy....@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Tim Worman Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 20:42 To: Ken Foust Cc: webobjects Apple; Miguel Arroz Subject: Re: 2009 surveys results I think there are definitely great materials available to learn about WebObjects, WOLips, Wonder. Like Ken said, I think the real issue is that all the materials are very scattered across different sites. More than any technological concerns, I think the lack of cohesiveness is what could leave interested parties with the impression that it's a rag-tag group of enthusiasts. I think good stuff is happening to mitigate that. The truth is the technology is as pertinent as ever. Apple bases their own business on it and it's definitely worthwhile for developers to pursue the materials wherever they are. I think it could definitely be a game changer if there was a one-stop place for all the materials. Tim UCLA GSE&IS On Oct 24, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: > I suspect if you don't pull together the best technology will die. I > still go back to apple depreciating the tools and dropping WO. It > would be a hell of a lot easier if they at least had it as a option. > They should have you guys go back and bring it up to speed and then > start reselling it again with a good part of the proceeds going back > to you people. Apple is building that big server farm in NC and could > provide a very attractive solution to many companies. Apple should > probably re-vist the corporate world even if in a small way, this of > course would be one way. It is obvious that the technology is very > sound thanks to you all and even the ones who are trying to keep WO > 4.5 alive. It may be crazy but I think WO should be back in the Cocoa > world and you guys could do that quite easily with the support of > apple. The windows people may not like it but Mac are getting cheaper > :) > > thats my take > > > On Oct 23, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > >> The problem with this is time... I was thinking of a online book where you >> can ask O'Reilly or other publisher to print it and sell it to give back to >> writers, like Thinking in Java or the MySQL manual are. And frankly, based >> on the number of people who wanted to attend WOWODC East for the beginner >> track was so low that's part of the reason we dropped it (the track). But at >> the same time, people say in the surveys that the scarity of developers is a >> problem, so it's a chicken-and-egg problem. And also the fact that's is >> always the same group of 10-15 persons who give back to the community, which >> is, speaking only for myself, a burden. >> >>> IMHO >>> You gurus need to put out a few really in-depth tutorials. Maybe >>> each could do a little piece. It is hard to sell something like WO >>> without a good way for people to get in the loop. You may want to review >>> Joshua' Marker's book on WO which I thought was the absolute best for >>> attracting new people to the technology. After reading this book you could >>> actually build a functioning WO site. You could easily do this with a few >>> very good tutorials. >>> >>> ken >>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:27 AM, John Larson wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm kind of goading Chuck on to write a sequel to "Practical WebObjects." >>>>> How about "Absurdly Cool WebObjects"? >>>> >>>> The Book of Chuck? >>>> >>>> WebObjects: Getting Chunky Wid It? >>>> >>>> I won't say never, but right now I am having a hard time getting the time >>>> to finish WOVNG. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2009/10/23, at 17:46, John & Kim Larson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> without having the patience to read the manual, >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a manual? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yours >>>>>> >>>>>> Miguel Arroz >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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