On May 6, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

> We always welcome WebObjects beginners.
> 
> The only advice I can give though with regards getting help is:
> 
> 1) Always prefer to ask the list for help (Reply All) rather than emailing 
> individuals privately - the crowd of brains is always better than one, 
> possibly crazy busy, person :-)
> 
> 2) Don't be shy about asking. This community is very willing to help in 
> general. We all were beginners at one time, although David Avendasora has 
> been struggling for years to get past asking stupid questions ;-)

Yeah, there is one in every class.


> 3) Ask questions in as clear as possible a fashion.

e.g. not like David Avendasora  :-P



> 
> 4) Use latest Project Wonder from the start. It *will* make your life easier 
> and it **will** allow you to learn by example by looking at WOComponents and 
> source code in ERExtensions.
> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WONDER/Getting+the+Wonder+Source+Code
> 
> 5) Buy Practical WebObjects and study chapters 2, 3, 5, 6 and 7 ASAP to 
> understand core concepts. Once you got concepts right in your brain, 
> WebObjects is easy.
> 
> 6) make sure you know basics of HTML, CSS, Java, Java Design Patterns (see 
> Head First Design Patterns book) along with a sprinkling of unix CLI, 
> javascript, ant, and a few other common technologies I cannot remember right 
> now.
> 
> Study, code, try stuff, study, code, try stuff, etc.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> K
>       
> 
> 
> On May 6, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Kevin Spake wrote:
> 
>> Thanks to all for their suggestions. I'm going to keep at it. You may regret 
>> inviting me to hang around!
>> 
>> Kevin 
>> 
>> 
>> --- On Fri, 5/6/11, Kieran Kelleher <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Kieran Kelleher <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: InOverMyHead {"obviously"};
>> To: "Kevin Spake" <[email protected]>
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 3:33 AM
>> 
>> Use the Getting Started Screencasts here:
>> 
>>      http://www.wocommunity.org/webobjects_screencasts.html
>> 
>> Once you get your head around concepts of WO, it is easy - and, by all 
>> accounts, it is apparently more productive and more powerful than many of 
>> the popular java web enterprise frameworks.
>> 
>> The development tools have progressed madly (in a good way) for many years, 
>> hence why it is easy to find out of date documentation when it comes to 
>> development tools.
>> 
>> Any documentation related to WebObjects frameworks themselves (from a Java 
>> perspective) will be pretty accurate since progress on the framework side of 
>> things has been taking place in Project Wonder (large open source frameworks 
>> that extend the functionality of the core WebObjects frameworks)
>> 
>> Practical WebObjects (search Amazon) is probably the best book out there, 
>> but it is geared towards intermediate users rather than beginners. 
>> Nevertheless, it teaches you the ESSENTIAL concepts that will help you blow 
>> past the initial WebObjects learning curve.
>> 
>> So, focus on the screencasts and the wiki and don't be shy to ask for help 
>> here on this mailing list. (yes, this is *THE* mailing list for WebObjects)
>> 
>> The two best starting places to look for up to date info on WebObjects are
>> 
>>      http://www.wocommunity.org/
>> 
>>      and
>> 
>>      http://wiki.objectstyle.org/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 6, 2011, at 12:47 AM, Kevin Spake wrote:
>> 
>>> Subject says it all. 
>>> 
>>> I took a java programming class years ago. I did not continue with it. 
>>> Since then, my only programming experience has been with Realbasic, and 
>>> that too was years ago. Now, I've decided to jump into webobjects. I have 
>>> eclipse and WO 543 on intel mac. I can run a simple "hello world" program. 
>>> 
>>> As I try to do the beginner tutorial here: 
>>> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Hello+World+-+Your+First+WebObjects+Application
>>> I find myself stuck. The instructions say: "So, to add a variable to keep 
>>> track of our visitors name, click on the 'Interface' menu bar item and 
>>> select 'Add Key...'."
>>> 
>>> I have no "interface menu bar item". I can't find it anywhere, nor can I 
>>> find any instructions on how to add a variable. Do I just type it in? Is 
>>> there a resource for total newbs using current WO implementation, or is it 
>>> an 'idiots need not apply' type of thing?
>>> 
>>> If this is the wrong mailing list, my apologies. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Kevin 
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