Not always.  

‘Have another drink..its good for you’ was such a lie.

Karl

On Jul 5, 2011, at 9:00 PM, Travis Britt wrote:

> Everything Chuck says is true.
> 
> tb
> 
> On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Ramsey Gurley <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I was there Hugi and I think I missed something (^_^)  
>>> 
>>> I though the discussion was about forking Wonder, which seemed a little odd 
>>> to me considering we have github nowadays.  Anyone can fork it and if you 
>>> attract a following, so be it.
>>> 
>>> If we are discussing a WO fork... I wonder, has anyone ever actually asked 
>>> Apple if they are willing to open source the WO 5.4.3 release?  
>> 
>> Yes. They will not. 
>> 
>> 
>>> The Java people made enough noise to get Apple's JDK source released to 
>>> Oracle for OpenJDK.  We aren't as large as they are, but I would argue that 
>>> we are more important to Apple's operations.  
>> 
>> I doubt that. 
>> 
>> 
>>> Certainly Apple would see a lot of value in having a healthy community of 
>>> WO devs to pluck.  
>> 
>> I think we have pretty much been fully plucked. 
>> 
>> 
>>> Legal issues aside, it would be much easier to simply get Apple's blessing. 
>>>  They have gobs of money.  It isn't like they can't afford to throw us a 
>>> bone. There should at least be a petition to ask them formally if that 
>>> hasn't already been done.
>> 
>> Wasting your time, IMO. 
> 
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