Still, seems there's a lot of active patents pertaining to EOF and WO out there:
http://patents.com/us-6249291.html http://patents.com/us-5873093.html http://patents.com/us-20070094302.html http://patents.com/us-7376658.html http://patents.com/us-6513072.html http://patents.com/us-7954110.html http://patents.com/us-5898871.html Just to name a few… - hugi On 6.7.2011, at 00:12, Karl wrote: > I think that Pierre has already confirmed the legal aspects. > > Plus Apple has been ignoring their IP violations for years around KVC etc.. > > Karl > > On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: > >> >> Le 2011-07-05 à 17:06, Hugi Thordarson a écrit : >> >>> Hi Ramsey :) >>> >>>> I was there Hugi and I think I missed something (^_^) >>> >>> : ) >>> >>> >>>> I though the discussion was about forking Wonder, which seemed a little >>>> odd to me considering we have github nowadays. Anyone can fork it and if >>>> you attract a following, so be it. >>> >>> Well, in theory that sounds nice, but is it really a good idea to fragment >>> an already tiny community? If I create a fork of Project Wonder and it >>> becomes *amazingly* popular, I'll have what — 10 users? >>> >>> >>>> If we are discussing a WO fork... I wonder, has anyone ever actually asked >>>> Apple if they are willing to open source the WO 5.4.3 release? The Java >>>> people made enough noise to get Apple's JDK source released to Oracle for >>>> OpenJDK. We aren't as large as they are, but I would argue that we are >>>> more important to Apple's operations. Certainly Apple would see a lot of >>>> value in having a healthy community of WO devs to pluck. >>> >>> It's been established that Apple doesn't care — there's a 10 year track >>> record to prove it. >>> >>> >>>> Legal issues aside, it would be much easier to simply get Apple's >>>> blessing. They have gobs of money. It isn't like they can't afford to >>>> throw us a bone. There should at least be a petition to ask them formally >>>> if that hasn't already been done. >>> >>> Again, Apple doesn't care about WO, Apple has never cared about WO and >>> Apple will never care about WO. And if you wait for Apple to care about WO >>> you will die an unhappy, bitter shell of a person. >>> >>> I work at a generic java shop and I want to use WO, but I can't because >>> Apple's WO license doesn't allow my colleagues to use it on their non-Apple >>> hardware. This is silly and Apple probably knows it, but they don't care. >>> And really, that's totally understandable. They're Apple. Their business is >>> computers and phones, and they have no incentive to care about a handful of >>> web developers using some 10 year old technology they inherited from a >>> company they bought. >>> >>> Apple has *never* been there for us and never will be. So what I'd love is >>> a WO without Apple. Imagine the things we could accomplish without their >>> ancient jar-files weighing us down. >>> >>> I'd love to participate in a community supported clean room >>> reimplementation of the frameworks vital to the future of *Wonder* (which >>> is, as we all know, the real WO and the future of the community). There's >>> really only four major frameworks that need rewriting; foundation, >>> appserver, eocontrol and eoaccess. They're not that big - and some of the >>> work has already been done in Wonder. >> >> But we will need law people to find out if WO still have patents on it and >> what kind of legal problems we can have if we decide to redo WO with the >> same API calls but with a different implementation. >> >>> Sounds crazy? Yes. But it's a heck of a lot less crazy than expecting >>> Apple to suddenly show up and actually do something. >> >> I think we made it clear at WOWODC that Apple won't give us anything, and if >> they do, it will be in Wonder. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kgretton%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to [email protected] > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [email protected]
