I didn't know that about Dojo.  I believe Ember is built with JQuery. 

It seems like ERRest is the future for WO. 

On Feb 7, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> wrote:

> 
> Le 2013-02-07 à 15:05, Johnny Miller <jlmil...@kahalawai.com> a écrit :
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> re: JQuery.  I'm pretty bummed I worked on the MooTools framework instead of 
>> a JQuery one.  Obviously, much more people are interested in JQuery.  I keep 
>> thinking I'm going to start one but I've sort of made up my mind to limp 
>> through 2013 using MooTools and then switch over to something like EmberJS 
>> in 2014.  If you haven't looked at EmberJS it is a lot like WO in that you 
>> define a model and then it handles the database updates (through a REST 
>> interface).  
> 
> Dojo has that too, and it doesn't look like that jQuery have that, or at 
> least it's not as "easy" as Dojo or EmberJS.
> 
> We will have a ERRest lab at WOWODC and I think we should try to connect many 
> client-side JS, iOS and Android frameworks with ERRest to see if we can 
> improve ERRest to support a lot of REST clients.
> 
>> One thing I would like to see is that we start using the template design 
>> pattern for the Ajax framework.  A lot of the components don't need to be 
>> totally rewritten - you just need to override appendToResponse to format the 
>> HTML the right way for the JS framework.  But you can't subclass the 
>> original component because it calls super in appendToResponse.  So if 
>> appendToResponse called a method like fooBar and then when you subclass the 
>> component all you need to do is override fooBar and you don't have to work 
>> about the other methods like invokeAction/handleRequest etc...  I basically 
>> ended up doing a bunch of copying and pasting but if something got improved 
>> in the original there is no guarantee it made it's way into the MooTools 
>> version.
>> 
>> re: IDE - I wonder how much it would cost to get JetBrains or a JetBrain's 
>> plugin developer to create a WebObjects plugin?  Having used their 
>> JavaScript editor it's become pretty obvious to me that they make a much 
>> better product.
>> 
>> my 2 cents,
>> 
>> Johnny
>> 
>>> 
>>> - We need a jQuery framework. According to the surveys, members of the 
>>> community use jQuery almost as much as the Ajax framework from Wonder. In 
>>> fact, I'm wondering how you use it now, in Direct Actions? Just for 
>>> effects? If you already have a jQuery framework that you would like to give 
>>> to the community, we can work it out.
>>> 
>>> - Better integration between WO and iOS (and Android). ERSync is a start, 
>>> and I was thinking maybe we could make a tool that reads a CoreData model, 
>>> convert it to a EOModel and automatically build REST services for the 
>>> model. 
>>> 
>>> - A "Project Wonder Cookbook". That book would contains, two pages max, 
>>> solutions to common problems and questions about Project Wonder.
>>> 
>>> - Getting more people to understand and work on WOLips.
>>> 
>>> - A easy-to-install development environment, that would install not only 
>>> WOLips and Eclipse, but also the core WO frameworks and Project Wonder.
>>> 
>>> - A easy to use deployment service. Having helped many people with 
>>> deployment issues, it looks like deployment is still an issue. 
>>> 
>>> - Redesign of wocommunity.org. 
>>> 
>>> - Looking at how we can replace parts of WO with open source parts. The 
>>> Cayenne training day at WOWODC 2013 is the first step toward that goal.
>>> 
>>> How are we going to finance this? We will change how the membership works. 
>>> We will have the following options:
>>> 
>>> - $50 for regular membership. This $50 will be for paying recurrent 
>>> charges, like the hosting fees for wocommunity.org, and to pay for deposits 
>>> related to WOWODC. You still get early access to WOWODC recordings.
>>> 
>>> - $300 for Bronze Sponsorship. You get membership + your company logo on 
>>> wocommunity.org for 6 months (on rotation with other sponsors).
>>> 
>>> - $750 for Silver Sponsorship. You get membership + your company logo on 
>>> wocommunity.org for 12 months (on rotation with other sponsors) and your 
>>> logo on the WOWODC site.
>>> 
>>> - $1500 for Gold Sponsorship. You get membership + your company logo on 
>>> wocommunity.org for 12 months (no rotation) and your logo on the WOWODC 
>>> site. You also get one WOWODC 2013 ticket.
>>> 
>>> For bigger tasks, like the jQuery framework and the Project Wonder 
>>> Cookbook, we will use Kickstarter or a similar system to raise money to do 
>>> it, and if we don't raise enough cash, the project simply dies.
>>> 
>>> Comments about this?
>>> 
>>> 
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