As far as Wonder is concerned, the maven setup is already there, mostly thanks 
to Henrique, Ulrich and Andrus (and anybody else I forgot to mention). And it 
certainly works. I used maven to set up integration-testing of 
ERModernMoviesDemo. Works on travis-ci.org as well, except for the integration 
part, which would require the webobjects jars – which is another topic.

It would certainly be nice to split things up a bit, one reason being the long 
build time.

Fabian

P.S.: You may even keep the fluffy bunny!

> Am 04.05.2015 um 18:43 schrieb Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com>:
> 
> I think that “Maven expert” is the key here.  This is not a trivial thing to 
> setup correctly and maintain.  It is trivial to setup and use incorrectly and 
> I have seen the pain resulting from that.  To benefit from Maven you need to 
> really deeply understand Maven and its approach to dependancy management.  
> And you need to ensure that the whole team plays by The Maven Rules, even if 
> it makes more work short term and a bit of cheating does not seem that bad at 
> the moment.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> On 2015-05-04, 8:29 AM, "Jean-François Veillette" wrote:
> 
> At my previous workplace, we did the switch to Maven.  Luckily we had a real 
> maven expert to drive the move.
> We started with around 50+ projects, all ant based, using the ‘standard’ 
> fluffy-bunny layout.  He added pom.xml here and there, and everything just 
> started working with maven.  We had choice to build/run with maven and/or ant 
> and it was (almost) transparent.  The only exception was that if you decided 
> to use in maven, you had to change the class path to remove everything but 
> the maven and java dependencies (2 lines left), a simple .classpath that was 
> standard and could be copied from one project to the other.
> The maven build was then integrated with Jenkins (CI) and SonarQube (so that 
> future ‘JF’ is happy with old ‘JF’, and all the team's work are standardized 
> a bit) with ease.
> 
> From my experience, the team was happy with the Maven switch, none of us had 
> to become an expert (because we had one already).
> Maven help a lot on easing the dependency management of your apps (a building 
> block only declare his direct dependency).  Once you remove the noise of 
> declaring dependencies, you will be left with a clear graph of dependent 
> block.  You will then have to tackle the real problem of incompatible 
> dependencies (A need B and Xv1, but B need Xv2).  Maven will make the graph 
> simple and clear, it will try to provide helper but can’t really help much 
> after that.
> 
> jfv
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2015, at 5:09 AM, David Avendasora <webobje...@avendasora.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On May 1, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maven seems like a better thought out and implemented solution.
>> 
>> …
>> 
>> Have you ever had one of those moments where things just seem so off-kilter 
>> you’re sure you’re having a dream, but no matter how many times you cry out 
>> for mommy you are left sitting there slowly realizing that there’s been some 
>> fundamental shift in the universe that you missed out on. (And your wife is 
>> slowly picking up her phone and dialing your therapist. Again.)
>> 
>> —————————————————————————————
>> WebObjects - so easy that even Dave Avendasora can do it!™
>> —————————————————————————————
>> David Avendasora
>> Senior Software Abuser
>> Nekesto, Inc.
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