The APIs and syntax vary a bit in names but philosophically and design-wise 
it's very much the same. EOModeler will not work, there's a different tool 
called "Cayenne modeler", a standalone app.

My primary DBs are MySQL and Postgres, both work fine with Cayenne. It's an 
established tool to say the least. I've been using it for a few years now and 
interestingly enough, I don't recall encountering a bug (even if I'm still 
always using snapshot releases)

- hugi


> On 26 Jun 2020, at 19:32, Jesse Tayler <jtay...@oeinc.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> so, my simple EOF/ERXKey qualifiers and stuff would work, I’d use EOModeler?
> 
> MySQL works fine it sounds, I’m using AWS stuff myself…
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 3:27 PM, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, so are all the cool guys using Cayenne now then? 
>> 
>> I've seen some pretty cool guys use it but I also use it.
>> 
>> 
>>> I'm sure I should read some page about it rather than waste everyone’s time 
>>> reiterating why it’s better and why we should be moving to that sort of 
>>> thing etc.
>> 
>> It's awesome in so many ways. But for people that already know EOF, it's 
>> probably best described as "EOF without that darned locking thing". And 
>> there's seriously exciting stuff happening in the most recent releases 
>> (subqueries, SQL-functions and more, all type safe using "Properties", the 
>> Cayenne version of ERXKey.
>> 
>> API-wise it can pretty much be a drop-in replacement for EOF and from 
>> experience I can say there's nothing to lose and much to gain. (assuming 
>> you're using an SQL db. Cayenne is explicitly an SQL DB framework, not a 
>> "generic everything framework" like EOF wants to be).
>> 
>> - hugi
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev 
>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You might also want to take a look at Cayenne. It's well documented and 
>>>> we're eager to help where the docs fall short. And most importantly; it's 
>>>> an active and maintained project that didn't die over a decade ago :)
>>>> 
>>>> - hugi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 26 Jun 2020, at 19:04, Aaron Rosenzweig via Webobjects-dev 
>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Don,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have a look at EOEntity and friends: EOAttribute, EORelationship. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can build them out and setup the “external” name for the column, etc. 
>>>>> I did it once as an exercise many moons ago. The only practical use I got 
>>>>> out of it was sometimes sanity checking keyPaths to see if they hit 
>>>>> things “in memory” or if they were completely traversable through 
>>>>> EOEntity relationships. Something that trips an in-memory method call is 
>>>>> not something you can use to build a complex SQL query. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Like other people have said, the “reverse engineering” of the original WO 
>>>>> tools is more likely what you want to use instead. You point Entity 
>>>>> Modeler at a database and it can make a surprisingly good model file from 
>>>>> it. Depending on how big the database is… it might be worth your trouble 
>>>>> of firing up MacOS Tiger and installing the NeXTStep GUI tools to do the 
>>>>> reverse engineering. I don’t think that the Eclipse java based 
>>>>> EntityModeler can reverse engineer. I don’t know if Cayenne can reverse 
>>>>> engineer. 
>>>>> AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike
>>>>> e:  aa...@chatnbike.com  t:  (301) 956-2319
>>>>>   
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 25, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Don Lindsay via Webobjects-dev 
>>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello;
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Documentation for EOModel states that you can build one in code, but 
>>>>>> there are no examples or further information that I can find.  Does 
>>>>>> anyone have any documentation or samples that they can direct me to so I 
>>>>>> can create EOModels while the application is running:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What I want to do is connect to a database that my app does not know 
>>>>>> about, someone provides connection parameters and I create an EOModel 
>>>>>> and connect to that database or rest and access it using the EOModel 
>>>>>> created using new EOModel().
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don
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