Apologies for the rant. What I was trying to say about the Jive - Mailman issue 
was that I figured that if Sun gave this a higher priority then it would have 
been fixed by now, or at least resources allocated to keep them synced in some 
other way (e.g. by allocating someone to sync them manually or scrite a script 
to do it). I realise those that work on the website have a million and 1 things 
to do and are in no way to blame for this problem.

Andrew.
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